Soap Operas Are Wrestling w/Sawyer IO

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Why are we here? Flashbanging. [00:00:02] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Flashing, banging. [00:00:05] Speaker A: Are you ready to flashbang me? [00:00:06] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I got actually, you know, sometimes it's nice to have someone like you might know who you are. Right. But sometimes it's nice to have someone help you out, figure out who you are, what kind of archetype you fall into. This is Gil Wayne, casting director. Might be relevant to other things we talked about today. [00:00:27] Speaker A: A human bard even. That's funny. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Nice little human bard from the wilds of Eldraine. A lovely, lovely plane. It's like kind of Arthurian legend situation. And so this is magic's William Shakespeare. Yeah. So when he pops in or any other of your guys pop in, you get to give them different rolls. You can give them royal rolls, sorcerer roles or monster roles. So that was a whole little like a sub theme sub mechanic in wilds vein, which you could just give everything different roles and they would modify your guy to be like, oh, okay. I'm. My favorites were actually these. The cursed and wicked roles. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Oh, oh, that's fancy. [00:01:21] Speaker B: So the cursed role turns your guy. It's basically like a big disenchant where he has base power 11 in my brain. That's like turning them into a frog. [00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah, you're turning them green. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah, you're turning your frogs green, dog. Or the wicked role just makes them a little stronger and they kind of spite you from the grave when they die. But yeah, no, I think that this was a fun way of exploring different like storytelling archetypes through like a. The ludo narrative of magic. Like the royal role there. Get plus one, plus one and have ward one, which means they have like a little bit of a magical veil. It's a little bit harder to get them the young hero role whenever he attacks, if his power or if his toughness is three or less. So if he doesn't have a whole. But yet if he's not like, you know, yoked like a fucking ox, you get. He gets a one. One counter. And it's just like, you know, you're seeing him get stronger as he faces bigger foes and like, I don't know. [00:02:24] Speaker A: I think that sounds like. That sounds like graps. Absolutely. [00:02:27] Speaker B: It's. I think it's just a really fun. Yeah. Like way of articulating our hero's story. [00:02:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:35] Speaker A: And that. That sounds like. Absolutely. And you know, that sounds like craps. It sounds like long term term storytelling which, you know, is a thing in grappling and you know, casting director. Oh, geez. I Have a feeling that. That, that. That, you know, that fits very well with our guest. So we should probably get to our guest. And more importantly, don't sit on that couch. All right. [00:03:02] Speaker B: Sit on it. Sit on the button. Please feel free to pull the rip cord on a heart out whenever you need to. [00:03:26] Speaker C: Did. Did Ella tell you that I think the next aw pay per view should be called Aw heart out? Like, that's good, right? [00:03:32] Speaker A: No, I did not, but that is super good. [00:03:35] Speaker B: That's incredible. [00:03:37] Speaker C: And, like, that would be the best. Like Tony Khan's war against bedtime. Yeah. [00:03:46] Speaker A: All right. If everybody's ready, I think that's as good a time as any. Welcome back. I'm keeping that in. That's too good to. Everything is aw hard out. Every. Everything is wrestling with I, Ella Taylor, what with the she and the her pronouns. And we're here to. How did Bugs put it? Say, hi, Bugs. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Hi, Bugs. [00:04:11] Speaker C: Cool. [00:04:12] Speaker A: How did Bugs put it? Joe Rogan. We're Joe Rogan. And I'm just leaning into that. I think. [00:04:20] Speaker C: Finally a trainy Joe Logan. Joe Rogan of the left. [00:04:24] Speaker B: Yeah. No, it's. It's. I've been waiting for this for six minutes. [00:04:28] Speaker A: I just snorted a line of Woke four, and y' all don't even. It's like Delta eight, but for woke up. [00:04:35] Speaker B: I did my injections last night. Is that. That's. At least. [00:04:38] Speaker A: That counts. We count. We count those. We absolutely count those. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. That's like. That's like Bathtub woke, you know? [00:04:47] Speaker B: I am on Bathtub Woke. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yes. Winning. Yeah. So, yes, it's. It's me. It's Bugs. We invite people on to talk at us about things that they're have some sort of expertise or. Or great love of. And in that way, it's like Joe Rogan. Because I also am going to get surprisingly high on the show, so, you know, it makes sense. And. And today we have brought in former friend of some of my pods. Generations. Generations of my podcasting Sawyer. I don't know your last name from International Object. Hello. How are you? [00:05:28] Speaker C: Hello. I could be. Saw your international object. I'm good with that. [00:05:31] Speaker B: That's hot. [00:05:33] Speaker C: Thank you. I'm having. I'm having a great summer. I'm having a Rick Rude summer. I'm just like, I'm obsessed with the big gold belt. I'm planning a trip to Japan. You know, [00:05:46] Speaker A: you're gonna do a bunch. Oh, you're gonna. Like, what? Do you have, like a. Do you have, like, a bench press contest against someone I forget what it was. Or was it. He did the posing contest. His was the posing contest. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Thinking about mustaches. [00:06:00] Speaker A: You know, thinking about mustaches, you're. You're going to get your. Your profile picture airbrushed on your own own clothing and. [00:06:08] Speaker C: Oh my gosh, airbrushing is. Oh, my God. Just. I. Can. Can we just talk about airbrushing instead really quick? I mean, like, oh my gosh. [00:06:17] Speaker B: In the. [00:06:17] Speaker C: In the age of like AI Slop and like garbage graphic design, like, airbrushing is so incredible. Like it has a skill. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah, no, like, bring back the three Wolves. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Honestly, seriously, really do it. I knew a guy, I used to be in a band that at its start, at its best, in my opinion, was more of like an art collective. It was like my hippie friends had a. Had a music problem sort of thing. And there was a. A guy who hang out, hung out with us who ended up setting at a couple of our bigger shows and like, did this live where he was like an airbrush artist and he like airbrushed my guitar. Like he would airbrush our faces. One time we had a show that we made it like black light themed and someone, it might have been him, snuck some acid into the bar. So you have like a thousand people, a bunch of naked women. Everyone's covered in black, white, like airbrush paint and. And there is LSD happening and like. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Sounds decadent, right? I've. [00:07:29] Speaker A: I've lived many interesting lives. My favorite part of that night is something that had to be told to me later because I was too busy playing rock and or roll music. Someone called the cops because of all the boobies. [00:07:43] Speaker C: Too many boobs for the law. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Too many boobs for the law. And the cops tried to come in and the crowd full of tripping like. Like stoner folk proceeded to just throw ice and water at them until they left. And again, did not find out about this till later. That's probably the best paid. I think that band ever was too. Wow, that's a good night. Yeah. Anyways, they're all dead to me now, so. We're here to talk about soap operas. Speaking of melodrama. See what I did there? You see what I did? [00:08:22] Speaker B: Segue. Get her on wheels. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Yes. So, Sawyer, you. You came to me as a lot of. I'm finding people are leaning into the Joe Rogan of it. We're a hot commodity, apparently. [00:08:40] Speaker C: That's right. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Joe with no E. You know, like [00:08:44] Speaker B: drop guy, maybe it's like J A U X. [00:08:51] Speaker A: We could have so much fun with this. It's something precious, pretentious and trans as we do. So you came to me and was like, I. I mean, it's obvious, but soap operas is craps. As a soap opera. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I was like, could I. Could I just throw the softest of softballs at this podcast that you're doing? [00:09:12] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:09:12] Speaker C: I'm. I'm really enjoying this show, by the way. This is a. This was a very good idea show. You guys have been hitting it out of the. And I was like, could I hit a. Hit a single? [00:09:24] Speaker B: Look, look, look. We're transsexuals. Our balls are very soft. [00:09:27] Speaker A: Our balls are very soft. Sometimes we like when they're hit. I don't know. I have. I haven't been approached sexually in, like, a year and a half, so I don't even know what I like anymore. Everyone hit me up. We can find out together. But, yeah, I was like, yeah, this is so easy. Like, again, it was kind of like last. Last episode where summer was just like. I mean, I could just tell you Beowulf and all the ways it scraps. And I was like, hell, yeah. That's. Yeah, I'm fine with that. But also this one, like, oh, God, I have so much to add here there. Because, like, it literally is when. I. I don't know about you, Sawyer, but when I was growing up, I. It was still the era where. Where this was a shameful thing, which I think we need to return with a B, too. We. We should all be ashamed of the fact that we love this. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Hold on. When you say this, are we talking about. Are we talking about wrestling? [00:10:29] Speaker A: Professional wrestling? Not. [00:10:30] Speaker C: Well. Okay, cool. [00:10:31] Speaker A: You know. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Well, well. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Hey. Hey. [00:10:35] Speaker C: So I think we're back. So I think we're back there. I think. I think to some degree, Trump becoming president did put wrestling, or at least wwe, very much back in the shame pile. Oh. Oh. [00:10:48] Speaker A: W's catching strays. And that's not what I wanted. No, that's a monkey paw, Sawyer. I don't like when you use facts. Logic against me. [00:10:55] Speaker C: I'm so sorry. There's. [00:10:57] Speaker A: There's a law against that. Bugs, can we look that up? [00:11:00] Speaker B: Hold on. Yeah, hold on. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Let me see. [00:11:01] Speaker A: All right. Thank you. [00:11:02] Speaker B: All I'm seeing is Goblin Warrior. I might be on the wrong end. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, no. That's the one. That's the one. We'll. We'll come back to it. [00:11:08] Speaker B: It. [00:11:08] Speaker A: But yeah, so he. The aw Is catching all this slack from the Megas, and that is, you know, the. What did I call it? The WWE is basically like the, the sex trafficking company that also has wrestling. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Something that has a wrestling problem. [00:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah, that. Yeah, yeah. That's basically what it is at this point. And it's just horrifying. Again, no one, not enough people listen to us for lawyers to come after us. But also if they do, I. I have nothing you can have like. Yeah, it's. It's ridiculous. So then you lead to like normies on Blue sky who. We're just trying to talk about our, our woke wrestling, you know, where we, we have an, an example of non binary excellence. We have openly gay wrestlers that they don't often, you know, admittedly don't book well enough. But that's neither here nor there. [00:12:04] Speaker C: We are. You are negotiating with the scraps of good graces from a company that doesn't at least actively hate you. [00:12:12] Speaker A: Exactly. So. Precisely. And they know they're pushing their luck lately. But the point is you're. The Fed is so bad. They're making me defend these chuckle. [00:12:26] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:12:26] Speaker A: You know what I mean? So so. But still. Yeah, no, there should be a little bit of shame to it. [00:12:31] Speaker C: I will just say I was at a con not too long ago. It was an anime con and super eyepatch wolf, the YouTuber was doing a panel and, and super high patch Wolf has some very good wrestling videos that I recommend people watch. [00:12:45] Speaker B: They do, they do. [00:12:45] Speaker C: They're fantastic. They're very good. And he was sort of doing a temperature check with the crowd about how wrestling he was kind of allowed to talk about and he was like, who? Here's a wrestling fan and three people out of like 800. We're so back. We're so back. [00:13:10] Speaker B: The 90s are back. [00:13:11] Speaker C: That's right. [00:13:13] Speaker A: We're so bad, kids. [00:13:15] Speaker B: Oh my God, we did it. Reliving the Clinton era. [00:13:20] Speaker C: I can't wait to tell Hampter. No, it was the best moment where I was like, oh, [00:13:27] Speaker B: I'm in danger. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Oh no, I monkey pox. [00:13:35] Speaker C: And so I'm like, I'm so. I'm so comfortable. I'm so being a lifelong wrestling fan. I'm so comfortable with this just being a shame based entertainment. [00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Which brings me around to my nor. My initial point which is that I used to try to tell people like because they'd be like yo, it's fake, blah blah, why blah blah blah. And I was like, well no, it's like it's like soap opera for. For dudes, you know, as if that. But as if that was going to get my ass any less kicked. [00:14:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I was. I was gonna be like, you are just saying, hey, there's. There's a bunch of easy slurs to call me right now. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:14:16] Speaker B: Here's a list. It's itemized. [00:14:18] Speaker A: Not only am I a. I am clearly a. [00:14:21] Speaker C: You know. [00:14:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:22] Speaker C: Like. Like, not only. Like, it was the same for me. Like, we. I think, you know, you. I'm assuming. Let's. Let's assume some things. Okay. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Let's do some assumptions. [00:14:34] Speaker B: I love assumptions. [00:14:36] Speaker C: Let's do some assumptions. What we're talking about in terms of soaps are. Are USA soap operas that air during the day, right? [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:45] Speaker C: We're not talking. We're not talking about what are absolutely the much cooler UK and European soap operas. [00:14:55] Speaker B: How do you feel about. [00:14:56] Speaker A: I was going to say thank you. [00:14:58] Speaker C: So how do I feel about which one? [00:15:00] Speaker B: Telenovelas. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. We're not talking about the much cooler telenovelas. Right. We're not talking, you know, and we're not talking about prime time soaps, which are a diff, to me. A different thing. Right? That's just like a different entertainment. Right. You could say that all of these things are so p. But I think the thing that I. We only have so much time, right? So I think the thing we're talking about here are daytime USA soaps. We're talking Bold and the Beautiful, Young and the Restlessest Days of Our Lives soaps like that. And the wrestling we're talking about is USA Wrestling. For the most part. [00:15:42] Speaker A: For the most. [00:15:43] Speaker B: I. Yeah. I think that it's safe to say that for this conversation, it's very US Centric. [00:15:48] Speaker C: Yeah. So this is my. This is my scope and assumption. And so if we say something that isn't exactly the same about other wrestling or other soaps, this is where I'm like, we didn't. We couldn't get to them all. [00:16:00] Speaker B: If you say something that you don't like, leave a comment, yell about us online. Make sure to tag us. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:16:06] Speaker C: You. [00:16:07] Speaker A: We had the lucha episode and y' all met the. My. My lucha expert friend, Art. So, like, if there's anything I need to know that, like, I'm like, I don't know enough about lucha to talk about this smartly, Art. Please help me understand. And if we're gonna do that with. With Piresu and like, Japanese stuff, I call Erica, my co host on Wednesday night. Fair fake fights. Because she's lived there. Like, she. She. She has been to. She was. She watched Tanahashi retire at Wrestle Kingdom. So, like in Tokyo. So it's like, yeah, that's who I. If I don't understand something in Japanese wrestling, Erica. But So, yeah, but American wrestling. American wrestling history. Old shitty American wrestling. Old good American wrestling. This is my wheelhouse. That I did. Yes. This is the. That I have the neurodivergence for. Yummy, yummy, yummy. Gimme, gimme. [00:17:11] Speaker C: And me too, for the most part. I am a child of the superstation. Yes. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Usa. Yeah. USA and TBS fighting. Yes. Yeah, I was there. I was there, kids. [00:17:23] Speaker C: Yeah. But I'm also, you know, and I'm a Canadian, but I'm also very much a child of daytime television. [00:17:31] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [00:17:32] Speaker C: You know, being an 80s child and being mostly kind of left to, you know, very much TV raised me. And I can't thank soap operas enough for teaching me things. [00:17:46] Speaker A: So many things. I'm pretty sure the first time I witnessed a sex act where I was certain the woman was not enjoying herself was a daytime soap opera. And my very uncomfortable mother being like, go somewhere else. I don't know. Something deep in me wants to hit that guy. I don't know what it is. My. [00:18:11] Speaker B: This guy kind of sucks. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that, I think in decades we're going to call this the ick. Yeah. [00:18:21] Speaker C: I think when you, when you talk to people about soaps, because it's in 2026, soaps almost feel like, like a forgotten genre or a lost genre. Like it's gone, but like there's still much like wrestling. They're still on every day. [00:18:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, right. They will never go away. [00:18:39] Speaker C: They might never go away because. And maybe hopefully by the end of this, people who have never watched one or the other might give one or the other a shot. Right. Wouldn't that be nice to just say, like these things survive for a specific reason? And that is. That is I, I think both wrestling and soaps survive because of their storytelling structure, which is something that you cannot get with any other medium. They both really have this in common, this idea that you show up at a certain time either every day or once a week. And with wrestling, it is often every day these days too. It's. Jesus Christ. [00:19:26] Speaker B: I was about to say that, like the appointment viewing aspect of this, I [00:19:29] Speaker C: think, yeah, it's one of the. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Absolutely key. [00:19:32] Speaker A: Yeah. It's one of the. Only one of those that still exists. [00:19:36] Speaker C: Exactly. Like, if you're a fan of like sports or like a sports team, there is no one time that that sports team is playing. Right, right. It is actually like maddening to be a sports fan and try to keep things, keep a schedule going. Right. [00:19:52] Speaker A: As someone who has just gotten into. To the wnba, to lady squeakums this last season because of our Lord and savior, Olivia Miles, it has. Basically, I've discovered just how difficult it is. Like, you need, you need to have every streaming platform and cable and Noah guy and, and, and, and I just, I, I, you know, I, I haven't, I haven't sailed a lot in the last decade, but I just, I dusted off the ore boat and I got out in the big choppies and I haven't missed a Lynx game, so. You find a way. [00:20:33] Speaker C: Yeah, but like, you know, we in, in wrestling. [00:20:36] Speaker A: It. [00:20:37] Speaker C: It's Wednesday. You know what that means? [00:20:40] Speaker A: Oh, yes, yes. [00:20:41] Speaker C: That's. That's the calling card of AEW's flagship show. Right? Soap operas. They are on at one o' clock every weekday, right. Nothing preempts them except for like, the odd O.J. simpson drive. Right, That's. But like, that's a rare preempt. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Wait, is the O.J. simpson trial grabs. Yes, yes, yes. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, absolutely. Oh, my God. Absolutely. Come on. [00:21:10] Speaker A: I can say. I can think of. I, I can think of two wonderful, wonderful podcasters that I cannot wait to reach out to, to come talk about that. But anyways, that's neither here nor there. Yeah. [00:21:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Before we go any further with something else that's either here nor there that I just learned about, but apparently it's Pope hat night at the White Sox game tonight. [00:21:30] Speaker A: What? [00:21:32] Speaker B: They are giving away Pope hats with White Sox logos. [00:21:39] Speaker A: Oh, no, sorry. Because Chicago Pope. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Yeah, because. Because Glizzy Pope. [00:21:44] Speaker C: That's amazing. That's great. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Anywho, sorry, that just came up. [00:21:50] Speaker C: No, that's such a fun fact. [00:21:53] Speaker A: I still think coplio sounds like, like something that, like a super Catholic, like, suburban mom would name their cat. [00:22:02] Speaker B: There's a Pokemon named Popplio. Fun. [00:22:04] Speaker A: That's close. That is super close enough. Book it. Yeah, I don't know what that means, but do it. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but yes, yes. It's Wednesday night. You know what that is? [00:22:16] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Right. Monday night Raw. When's that on? Right. Monday Nitro. When's that on? Right. Like the day of the week or the time is like, imbued in the brand itself. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Exactly, Exactly. [00:22:29] Speaker C: Right. [00:22:30] Speaker A: It. [00:22:30] Speaker C: Appointment viewing. And like, I don't know why soap operas and wrestling get to be the only things on television that air at the same time every day. Like, I, I know that. Like, I know there are others. I know there's the news and Jeopardy. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Right? There's like Block programming. But there's viewing with like this serialized aspect that I can. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Can I pause it? Because I've. I have a sim, I have a feeling. [00:22:56] Speaker C: Sure. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Why? Because both of them built cable television. [00:23:01] Speaker B: Yes, I. I think, I think, yeah, they're both integral to cable television. [00:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah, they are pillars. [00:23:10] Speaker C: Let's put you back further. They both built television. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, literally, yeah. [00:23:18] Speaker B: If the medium is the message, then necessarily they are the bedrock of appointment [00:23:23] Speaker A: viewing, that broadcast news, late night talk shows, things like that are never going to go away because it built the medium. It feel. They feel integral. They feel like they are television. Yeah. [00:23:38] Speaker C: Although we're living through. We're living through what is. What is very much happening, which is like late night TV is going away. Right, Right, Yeah. [00:23:45] Speaker A: You know, I mean, all things can end. But that. [00:23:49] Speaker B: Yeah. I would honestly say that we're kind of at a very pivotal moment for what appointment viewing is going to look like moving forward, especially. But like, also. Especially as more streamers are adding some flavor of like, live programming back into everything. Because God forbid we just not reinvent cable television again. But so, like, it's. I don't know, because I think, I think the death of like, appointment viewing. Because I think it. It's been up until fairly recently that there has been at least like, zeitgeisty appointment viewing. I would say that like, that kind of falls with maybe Game of Thrones ending. Yeah, I think that's kind of the death knell, like, because around that time we start seeing more and more streamers pivoting to the binge watching. Deliver the entire season at once. Model of distribution. And even as, like, I know Netflix has really tried to backtrack on that and other, you know, to the point [00:24:56] Speaker A: of bringing Monday Night Raw on. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:59] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? [00:25:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Like, they're literally trying to go like, oh, we have to return. We're gonna. We're gonna steal one of your pillars. [00:25:05] Speaker B: But. But I think that that fractured American viewing habits really hard. So having a zeitgeist appointment viewing for a given series is like. Like, I watch stuff that comes out like once a week when it's airing a new season. Like, I mean, it's not very often, but like Invincible. And it was really fun that every Thursday or whatever, a new Invincible dropped. [00:25:33] Speaker A: I got a couple of those right now on evil, on evil corporations. You can fucking hang me up for it. But I'm sorry. X Men 97 is good. [00:25:42] Speaker B: It is. [00:25:43] Speaker A: And I'm going. And it's coming out weekly and I get excited for it. Like that's good. I'm going to watch it. But. [00:25:50] Speaker B: But that's also seasonal. [00:25:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:54] Speaker B: And yeah, it's not. [00:25:55] Speaker C: It's not that it's easy. It's not every Thursday, right. Yeah, it's the Thursday where they have episodes for. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:02] Speaker A: And that's a thing they always talk about too in wrestling is you can't even say this about regular sports. No off season wrestling is the only one that has no off season, baby. [00:26:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:14] Speaker A: And that's the same thing. Which also I feel makes it similar to comic books. Another future episode. Oh yeah. Where because you add in to things something that I mean to. I mean, I'm not. I'm sorry, I'm like playing. I'm not really necessarily playing off your notes, but I am. [00:26:32] Speaker C: That's why I gave them to you. [00:26:34] Speaker A: There you go. But like another way that soap operas is. Wrestling is long form storytelling. [00:26:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:43] Speaker A: To the point of like the, the idea of canon too. You know, like it when done correctly. Not triple H. But you know, and I hate to say it, Vince had his moments where he could do this really well. But like it's AW does even better. The, you know who does it best? The wrestlers themselves. I'll say that. Because they. The fan. Because they're fans. So like you'll have people call back to things that happened with a character a decade plus beforehand because you have people that love it so much that they can hold all of it in their head and hearts. Hi, I have podcasts, you know, like the. I'm sorry, the fact that my world won the TBS championship using Tegan Knox's finisher and like laying four of them on is, is hilarious. But people, normal people aren't going to realize that that's funny. But people like me and people who like soap operas and drama and even better melodrama are gonna know that Tegan Knox had what I would call if you're in service industry, like a stage shift. They brought her and her partner, tag team partner in to work a couple shifts basically and work a couple matches and to see if they wanted to like sign him or not. And they refused a job because they were like, no, we're big deals. We're not going to lose to your guys or whatever. And they like walked out thinking that they were pulling a power play instead. Aw Is like, that's fine. Hey, high end in my world. Come on in here. Can you play ball? They're like, yeah, so Maya world won a goddamn championship. Like maybe like Less than a year after all this went down with the finisher of the lady who wouldn't just lay down and do work. Do the work, you know what I mean? That everyone does when they come into the company because that's how you get acquainted with, with the roster. [00:28:48] Speaker B: That says that you'll play ball and [00:28:50] Speaker A: it says that you'll play ball. That's old school. Like you have to do that because if someone goes out there and, and, and, and doesn't play ball it with everything and, and, and makes everyone look bad. Because this is not an ego play. It's a, it's theater. It's, it's, dare I say, a soap opera. Right, right. [00:29:12] Speaker C: I just fully agree like the, the idea of like dynastic storytelling, which, like. Yes. [00:29:19] Speaker A: Okay. [00:29:20] Speaker C: So. Yes. What do you unlock by airing six hours a week of content? You unlock extremely long term storytelling. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Oh. [00:29:29] Speaker C: And it's six hours every week for months, for years, for decades. And the audience might not remember every single little thing, but they remember. Yeah. Way more than, than I think the average audience. Like I, I really, really loved like the Americans, for instance, like that FX show, the Americans. I loved that show, but I do not remember most of the things that happened on that show. Right. Whereas I kind of remember everything that happened on raw from like 93 to like 08. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker C: I didn't do that on purpose. [00:30:10] Speaker B: No. [00:30:10] Speaker A: I disassociated most of my life. But I remember Mick Foley winning. [00:30:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:15] Speaker B: Is that it is so necessarily like self referential, self insistent. Like, like there is always an immediate callback. There's a callback to something that happened a week ago, three days ago, you're calling forward that this is going to happen. Like there is this repetition. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker C: You get to build. You get to build by saying, oh, this human being who played this character for a decade, 15 years, 20 years, they're retiring. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Oh. [00:30:44] Speaker C: But they have a kid and the kid is wrestler and the kid's gonna have a career. And then before you know it, wrestling has more than one royal family. Right, Right. And like you get these, this dynastic story. And that is what keeps audiences watching a thing for six hours a week for their entire life. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:31:09] Speaker C: Is that continual. It's all one story. You were talking about canon. It's all canon. It all counts. [00:31:16] Speaker A: Yep. Because it happens in, because it happens in real time. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one thing that I think is the most, I think that's the thing that's most unique. I know it's something that super iPad 12 brings up up in videos. The thing that is most unique to. To it as a art form is that kayfabe is like. It's almost like an augmented reality. It's like it's. It's literally existing on top of and alongside your actual reality. It's. It's just you. You slip this. This. This cover on it where everything's a little different, the canon's different, and all of a sudden it's a different, like, timeline that's existing at the same time alongside you. Yeah. Kayfabe's so cool. [00:32:04] Speaker C: Interesting thing. [00:32:06] Speaker A: It's so good. [00:32:07] Speaker C: And like, I know that. I know that soaps aren't in real time, but because they air every day, they might as well be. [00:32:13] Speaker B: They're functionally real time. [00:32:14] Speaker C: They're functionally real time. They're canned in the way that Raw used to be canned, right? [00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:22] Speaker A: I love how other fictions, other types of fiction try to replicate that feeling and to various success. Like 24, where it's trying to, like, really connect you to the time in a way that wrestling does, but in a manufactured way or recently. The pit. [00:32:43] Speaker C: Oh, my God. Amazing. Jesus Christ. The pit's incredible. [00:32:46] Speaker A: It's so good. And I. For no small part. Because you feel every second of that hour with them. [00:32:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:53] Speaker A: And. And that's what wrestling does and what soap operas can do to a certain extent, too, because you revisit it every day. That's powerful because that becomes like a drug. You know what I mean? Yeah. My mom. My mom needed her soaps just like I needed that hit of Woke four or whatever. I took like that. [00:33:14] Speaker B: That rail awoke four, baby. [00:33:16] Speaker A: Let's do one a little more bumpy. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It's working. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Holy. [00:33:23] Speaker B: My tits. [00:33:25] Speaker A: My tits. I don't know. I'm sorry. I did that too loud. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. [00:33:31] Speaker C: I. I have a real belief with wrestling, and it's something I like to evangelize all the time, is that I believe in wrestling. Doesn't have an off season, but you as a fan can and should sometimes just take time off, away from the drug. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:45] Speaker C: Right. [00:33:46] Speaker A: You should laugh. [00:33:47] Speaker C: Yeah, you should laugh sometimes. And I. I did that. Soaps. I used to watch soaps all the time, and I kind of stopped, and then I kind of didn't pick it up for a long time. So it's been, you know, honestly, 20 years for me since I was a regular soap opera viewer. But occasionally I'll dip back in. I'll watch A few Days of Our Lives as My, like, go to home. So if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna watch a soap, it's gonna be that one. I don't know why. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Right. I just scratches an itch sometimes. [00:34:22] Speaker C: Just scratches an itch. Right. [00:34:24] Speaker A: Sometimes I. There. There's aspects of graphs that I like. I couldn't tell you why. I love that. Like. Like the conglomeration is just the right kind of whimsical that it hits me so good. Yeah. Like Roddy, especially now that he's playing. Playing ball too. Roderick Strong, the reluctant. The. The guy who reluctantly doesn't want to be hanging out with the. The nerds. And they're like, come on. Come on, buddy. He's like, fine. I love you guys. You're my best friends. [00:34:52] Speaker C: Telling you boys, the conglomeration is such a. Like a. Like a baby face soap story. Like, there is a narrative happening there, but it's an ongoing narrative too. It's an ongoing narrative, but it's so slow in. [00:35:08] Speaker A: In like a certain. Like a certain cool. I had. I. I obsess with. [00:35:15] Speaker C: Right? Like, it's whatever. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:17] Speaker C: It's like actually like four. It's even slow for soaps kind of. [00:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Yeah. And that's. I, you know, I actually quite like this about soap operas is the. Is the pacing like. And this is why I dip into it occasionally because I find lowers my heart rate like nothing else. Watching us open. Like, unlike wrestling. Like wrestling. It depends. Sometimes it can be really relaxing for me, but sometimes it can be like an adrenaline roller coaster kind of thing. Right. Like it's trying to be. But for some reason, soaps always get me to like a 50 heart rate. Like, it's incredible. Awesome. Yeah. And like, that would. It's literally like if. If, if. If someone's listening to this and they're like, yeah, but soaps are stupid, right? Like, go watch 60 Minutes of a soap opera and. And check your heart rate and just be like, am I the most relaxed I've been in 10 years? [00:36:16] Speaker A: Indica. No, no, man. General Hospital. [00:36:20] Speaker C: Seriously? Yeah. Like, people talk about like, oh, soaps are nothing but like, betrayals and shocking moments. I'm like, not really. It's mostly two people talking very slowly. [00:36:36] Speaker B: That sounds like why I watch certain magic. The gathering channels that just have like the chillest, like, public access style gameplay where it's just like, I just want to hear two people in a room calmly speaking. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And they're in a room that's like, barely set. Like, the budgets are not high. Okay. Like, if you told Me that they made those rooms in post later. I'd believe you. Like, most of these are not like real places. [00:37:08] Speaker B: Okay. But like a meta soap that all takes place in like, like the volume or something. [00:37:15] Speaker C: There was, there was that one on YouTube that took place in an IKEA for a little while. That's hot. You can look that up. I think that's still out there. [00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah, No, I, I need to check that out. That's funny as hell. [00:37:26] Speaker C: Like they just, they just like they shot it like Nirvana, the band style. Like they just did not get permission. [00:37:33] Speaker B: No, look, I mean if you're not disrupting the flow of anything and you're getting in and out of those little like display rooms in a timely manner. [00:37:40] Speaker C: Yeah, you could do, you could make us up in there. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Miles of our lives. [00:37:47] Speaker C: I do want to shout out, this is like one person's gonna get this. And I think I know who it is if they listen to this. But there was a Canadian soap opera. Sorry, not even a Canadian soap opera. There was a Torontonian soap opera in, in the 2000s called. Was it train 48? I think it was called. You guys have definitely never heard of this, but there is a. Yep, there it is. From 2003 to 2005, there was a soap opera that, that aired every single day. And it was about people taking the go train, which is like a commuter train from the city of Toronto to the suburbs of Toronto. And it was just people on the train. [00:38:33] Speaker B: I'm. That's so hot. I'm sorry. I love that. Oh my God. [00:38:40] Speaker C: They did, they did it every day. Like, like, like they had like the newspaper from that morning on the show every day. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Deeply Canadian. [00:38:52] Speaker C: It's deeply Canadian. It was, it was very inexpensive. It was very successful for like a little while. It wasn't like good, but like we're not talking about things that are good. We're talking about soaps and wrestling. Right? These are. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah. No, which is like in terms of format. I'm like, that's kind of brilliant. [00:39:10] Speaker C: It was incredible. It was probably. I'm, I, I'm just guessing here. Like it. They were like not enough people. This is too niche of a thing. We can't keep doing this. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Okay, I'm sorry that you said it was airing from 2003 to 2005. [00:39:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So just like two years. [00:39:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm sorry that my eight year old American ass was not following this with bated breath, but I swear to God, had I known this would have been my shit. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:37] Speaker C: It had this Is this is gonna. I'm on the Wikipedia page for this right now. It had a budget per episode of $40,000. [00:39:44] Speaker B: That's a steal. That's. That's like. You're paying like, you're paying like what the Daily Union averages for everything and craft services. This is. Is. That's. That's no money. That's awesome. [00:40:04] Speaker C: That's nothing at all. [00:40:05] Speaker B: That's sick. As. [00:40:09] Speaker C: Yeah, so I don't know. [00:40:11] Speaker B: I mean, like, maybe 40 grand in the early aughts is a little more, but like that. [00:40:16] Speaker C: Maybe that. [00:40:17] Speaker B: That. That shit ain't nothing. [00:40:20] Speaker C: All right, I'm going to freak you guys out here for a second because I added something like an hour ago before to my notes. So you guys are Blue sky people, right? [00:40:30] Speaker B: We are, yes. [00:40:31] Speaker C: You guys. [00:40:32] Speaker A: You say that pejoratively, it feels like, but yes. [00:40:35] Speaker C: Sorry, you wrestling fans. We're back in the basement. You understand, right? [00:40:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:40:44] Speaker C: It's our fault Trump is president. You understand. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Of a. Yeah, I know. Sorry. [00:40:52] Speaker C: Okay, so you're up, Blue sky doing the woke. I'm doing the derogatory. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blue sky poster. Parenthetical. I know what you are. [00:41:02] Speaker C: I. [00:41:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:02] Speaker C: I have two Blue sky accounts. Okay. [00:41:05] Speaker A: I have too many Blue sky accounts. [00:41:10] Speaker C: Okay. So. And we. I'm assuming we all follow like the hashtag Wrestlesky section, right? [00:41:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:41:17] Speaker A: But I don't visit it often because the. All the people on there that I want to know are just my mutuals. Because I was. It's again, it's that thing of like, don't. Don't quote the old magics to me, which, like, I was literally there when a trans woman invented Wrestle sky with her own bare coating hands. You. [00:41:39] Speaker C: That's right. [00:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Gabby, wherever you are, Godspeed. I love you and I miss you every day. I hope you're having the best time and offline, where everything is good and. Right. Thank you for your. [00:41:54] Speaker C: It really was a lovely idea. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Yeah. It was a love. [00:41:56] Speaker C: It really was a lovely idea. [00:41:57] Speaker A: It was a lovely idea. Thank you for. For the efforts and. And giving us all spot that. It's funny enough. It's. I don't know. Oh, God, I'm not gonna say it's gentrification, but I mean, that's a different episode. [00:42:11] Speaker C: It's gentrific. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:42:17] Speaker A: Anyways. Yeah. [00:42:18] Speaker C: Anyways, so there's. There's Russell Sky. About an hour ago, I was like, is there a soap sky? And there is. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Okay, right. Fascinating. [00:42:29] Speaker C: Right? No, we're looking at the mirror here because not only Is there a soap guy? Like, I recently, like, an hour ago, learned about a podcast called Queers and Soaps. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Can we do a crossover episode? [00:42:43] Speaker A: Should reach out. I should reach out. [00:42:46] Speaker C: I'm just saying, like, like, wrestling fans, we all think we invented some. And, like, one block over, people are doing the exact same thing with a different show. [00:42:58] Speaker B: Oh, my God. My God. [00:43:03] Speaker A: So right, though. Oh, my God. All right, well, I'm following them now. [00:43:09] Speaker C: Yeah, obviously, I am, too. I'm like, I'm so looking forward to listening to this show. Let me just. I'll broaden this out a little bit to my original point that I wanted to say was, like, soap opera websites, like, websites that talk about soap operas seem to function exactly the same way that, like, wrestling websites that talk about functions. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Oh, like, forum. Like, wrestling forum forums. I bet it's the same. [00:43:35] Speaker C: It's the exact same. Like, the main things they talk about are rumors that are going on backstage casting, whether people are happy. It's dirt sheets, man. It's. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Right? Like, and then, like. And they're also reporting on the shows as they're happening. Like, they, like, they're also taking part in the KFAB of it. [00:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're getting in on it. They're in on the live, baby. That's our bit. That's our bid. Get out of our. [00:44:02] Speaker C: Stop drinking her koolaid. [00:44:03] Speaker B: No, no, no. I welcome it. [00:44:05] Speaker C: Roll around. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, playing the space. You're right. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I think it's, like, it's. It's. To me, I was like. Like, I was. When I pitched this, I was like, I've got a couple of ideas on how soaps and wrestling are the same. Like, they're kind of the same kind of TV show. And then I was like, wait a minute. The fandom around them are. Are both gross and weird. That's fun. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Toxic as piss. Holy [00:44:34] Speaker C: throw. Me, too. Sometimes heel soap opera characters have to, like, get higher. Sec. Hired security so that, like, they don't get, like, assaulted in airports. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Like, oh, crazy style. [00:44:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Like, I. [00:44:50] Speaker C: Okay. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Like. Like, I cannot deal with people who can't actually comprehend kayfabe. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Like, it's. It's kind of wild. Well, back in the 70s, the heels would be, like, if you're. They would wear. Was it the only reason Roddy Piper wears, like, a leather jacket. Like, he does, like, a big, thick leather jack, is because people trying to stab him in the parking lot so much. [00:45:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:15] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. I need you people to understand that you're ruining the best part. [00:45:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, dude, you're like. You're missing it. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Like, this is like being worried that Darth Vader's in your closet. Come on, man. [00:45:29] Speaker C: I know. I know. It's like. But like, that. That. That's a similarity between these cultures is the, like, because you spend so much time with these characters, it is easy to be like, well, that's who they are, and I am who I am, and I'm mad at them. [00:45:48] Speaker B: The person that looks exactly like this guy has made me feel things. I am going to put him in a rapture. [00:45:57] Speaker A: It's still real to me. [00:45:59] Speaker C: It's still real to me. Exactly. And I think, like, I think to some degree, like, I think to some degree, like, all actors deal with this. [00:46:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:46:09] Speaker C: In some ways. But I think that wrestlers and soap opera people deal with it more because of the time spent in character. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:46:19] Speaker B: And also the. The reinforced parasocial or kind of pseudo Whatever terminology we want to use for this phenomenon. I think that. [00:46:29] Speaker A: That it's like neokayfabe. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You're. If you're getting your brain cooked six hours a week, you're blending that line. Yeah. [00:46:38] Speaker C: Like, what else are you doing six hours a week? [00:46:40] Speaker B: I mean, I'm pooping, but that's because I got the weird bowels. [00:46:43] Speaker A: I mean, honestly, lately, I'm gonna be so real with y'. All. It involves what we'll call self care, because at a certain point when you stop producing tea, if you don't use it, you'll lose it. [00:46:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That's actually very important. [00:47:01] Speaker A: It's very painful. So, like, I literally. Everyone knows who listens to my show shows, know how much I love the Finch app, Everyone get it, and Finch hire me. [00:47:12] Speaker C: I used Finch for, like, two years. I. I concur with that one. [00:47:15] Speaker A: That is on, like, two and a half months of changing my life life. But, like, one of the things I check off is it. It's like, when you first load it, it'll give you, like, options of, like, goals and one's like, do something. Do one thing today that makes you happy or one nice thing for yourself. And that's the. The reminder I use to at least get so that my don't hurt. Because being trans is awesome. And that's a thing y' all know now we're doing a service. So again, if any of these really, really want to get their ass kicked on the court by Olivia Miles, if that's the thing that they really need to do, I need Them to take the meds that make their dicks hurt. Like, like, that's fine. You go on ahead. You. Honey, you go on ahead. You do. Honestly, though, like, what? Yeah, like, you. Yeah, like. Yeah, no, you. You go on ahead and you take those and you. You forget for a week and you tell me how it feels. [00:48:18] Speaker C: This. I. I might not send this episode to my grandmother now. [00:48:23] Speaker A: Sorry, hun. Yeah. Oh, Nana, don't go. [00:48:27] Speaker C: But, like, I do. I do, of course, like, credit my grandmother for getting me into soap operas, like, naturally. [00:48:32] Speaker A: Oh, fantastic. Yeah. [00:48:35] Speaker C: And I credit my grandfather for getting me into pro wrestling. So it really worked out like that. Yeah. [00:48:39] Speaker B: I have. [00:48:40] Speaker A: I have one more. At least one more kind of. Well, it's like a twofer way as we head towards the door here. That. That I think is, like, we kind of touched on. But, like, they both. Soap operas and wrestling operate not on drama, but melodrama. [00:48:59] Speaker C: That's right. [00:49:00] Speaker A: And like, that's super, super important. And so another. Everything's bigger, which. And everything is kind of like, there, there, there's. Because of that, there's this sense of dis. Like a suspension of disbelief sort of necessary in both that allows you to get things like, you know, fighting Yoshihiro or Invisible Stan. You know what I mean? Like, like, you can do these things because the crowd is able to be in on it enough to be like, no, no, no, this makes sense. We love it because of this. It sort of thing. And it also leads to the other thing that I want to bring in because I was recently reminded of this. Both have a propensity, though not often, though one famously recently for bringing celebrities in who aren't of that medium. [00:49:56] Speaker C: Just because this is like, John Oliver is on Days of Our Lives. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. [00:50:03] Speaker B: What? That's awesome. [00:50:07] Speaker A: Bugs. He has been on two soap operas now, one of which was like a reoccurring evil character that led to some of the greatest I've ever seen in my entire life. [00:50:17] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Gonna happen. All right. So, like, he is. He is proving all of it. He is doing, like, he's doing the soap opera equivalent of Johnny Knoxville having one of the greatest matches of all time. Doing a jokey prop comedy death match with Sami Zayn where he lost to a giant rat trap. You know what I mean? Like, it's that equivalent where he's. He. [00:50:43] Speaker B: That was awesome. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Oh, it wasn't. It's like he's going in there and he's showing you how ridiculous it is, but also that. That's why it's Great. And how it works and why it's awesome. Yeah, like wild. The only other thing I could think of that is actually something that you made me think of while. [00:50:59] Speaker C: Can I just. Can I just piggyback on this and just bring it back a little bit? [00:51:03] Speaker B: It. [00:51:03] Speaker C: John Oliver appeared on Days of Our Lives and General Hospital. [00:51:08] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:51:10] Speaker C: John Oliver is also having a Rick Rude summer. [00:51:13] Speaker A: He is. [00:51:18] Speaker C: On two competing platforms in the same summer. Just like Rick rude did in 1997. [00:51:25] Speaker A: You know what? You know what? Never mind. That's the best callback we're gonna get. And also just, just. That's wild. Have you ever done dmt? [00:51:35] Speaker C: I could not have done this without you. This was amazing. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Okay. Thank you for being here, Sawyer. And softball pitching us. This. This was so great. [00:51:51] Speaker B: This was a joy. [00:51:52] Speaker A: Fantastic. Spotify call us. I'll do it for a million. I can't guarantee anyone's gonna give a. But let's go. You got plenty. But I know you do. [00:52:03] Speaker B: I got a hundred thousand followers on Twitter. I haven't been active there in a [00:52:07] Speaker A: while, but you know, you know that counts. You can dust those off. Yeah, you can dust that off. Whenever the inevitable happens. You know that things that happens to fascists inevitably at all times. The only way this could end. Yeah, that thing. So, you know, we could go back to that. In the meantime though, Sawyer, if you want anyone in our audience or you know now the federal government to find you, where could they. [00:52:34] Speaker B: What are your assassination coordinates? Both digital and analog. [00:52:38] Speaker C: I don't live in your country. [00:52:41] Speaker A: You are so lucky. You're so safe. You're so safe. Or I should be saying, wait, I have a way to say this. Where can people send you money? There you go. [00:52:48] Speaker B: There we go. [00:52:49] Speaker C: No, no one can send me money. But if you want to, if you want. We don't do that in Canada. I think we're getting rid of money in Canada. Actually. I think it's. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Oh, wait, you guys have woke three already. [00:53:01] Speaker A: Federation. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:53:04] Speaker C: Yeah, we federated. I got eight followers on Mastodon. I'm doing great. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Get there. [00:53:11] Speaker A: Federation will fix this. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Yeah, get their ass. [00:53:17] Speaker C: Yeah, you guys can follow me at International Object on Blue Sky Intl. Object. Because they won't let me do the whole thing. I guess they're trying to save money, I suppose. [00:53:28] Speaker A: You know, Libertarian Tech Bros. No. [00:53:31] Speaker C: Yeah. If you like graphic design stuff instead of pro wrestling layouts. I love is my graphic design Blue sky and other things. That's about it, case. Lawyerball.com is my actual website where everything actually comes From. Because if I have one bit of advice for anybody, two things. I agree with you, Ella. Get yourself a little self care task app. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Whether that's. Or. [00:53:55] Speaker C: And like, there's a bunch of these now. Like, they're all pretty good. I used to use an rpg. One that was really fun actually. [00:54:03] Speaker A: Nice. Nice. [00:54:04] Speaker C: I don't know if you've heard of that one. I haven't right now. [00:54:07] Speaker A: God, I love bird. I love the little boy. He's ok. You little cutie boy. [00:54:12] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. The little finch. Bird is amazing. But eventually you're gonna deck them out entirely and you will stop doing the tasks. [00:54:19] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no. My. My love forever. I will love it forever. Don't you. I'm holding my phone right now so you can hear me. [00:54:28] Speaker C: Oh, I. Yeah, no, it's great. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Never put it down. [00:54:31] Speaker C: Everyone should use these things until you deck them out entirely. And then you should go do a different one because you're like, the serotonin will dip. [00:54:40] Speaker A: What? No. [00:54:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I just found it. Habitica. That was the other one that I found to be very, very good for a long time. But again, they all run out of serotonin eventually. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Eventually. Go do that. [00:54:53] Speaker C: Yep. And the other one is if you can have your own website, get your own website. Do not trust any of these goddamn billionaire jackals with your stuff. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Working on it. Working on. First I get the job, then I get the khakis, then I get the website. [00:55:09] Speaker C: Yep. No, it is. It is unfortunately a monetary luxury to be able to, like, have your own domain and stuff. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Stuff. [00:55:15] Speaker C: But, like, if you got 100 bucks a year, it's always worth it to have your own space. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Speaking of our own space Bugs, where can they find you on MySpace? [00:55:28] Speaker B: Oh, I'm always your top eight followers, no matter what. [00:55:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Every profile. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Otherwise. No, you can find me over on blue sky at Bugsmatrix, BSGuy Social. Eventually I'll put up a domain that's not that. But I'm really lazy and gay, so. [00:55:50] Speaker C: You know, it's been so nice getting to know you on this episode. Ella. We've known each other for a little while now, but I'm just getting to meet you, Bugs. And you're lovely, too. [00:56:02] Speaker B: You're extremely lovely. It's very mutual. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yes, it's been great. No, Bugs is. Is. It is an absolute joy. We know that this as far as I go, you can find me on the blue [email protected]. garrick liked the Deep Space Nine character. Taylor like his profession change that eventually. And you can listen to me on podcast things and on the YouTubes Wednesday night fake fights where me and people talk about Aw, dynamite. This show. All the places like subscribe comment. I cannot stress enough do these things. It helps. It gets more people to come in here and we will, you know, teach our twisted speech to the unbelievers. That's what everyone wants to do. What else? Oh, yeah. Patreon.com WNFF Pod this one doesn't have one yet. So you can go there to help give me money to make it possible to make all these shows. What else? Yeah, I don't know. Give Bugs money. Give me money. Don't give Sawyer money. Apparently we're not. [00:57:03] Speaker B: We don't have help fund the the international effort for Woke 3. [00:57:09] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Absolutely fantastic. Remember, we are the Chinese Joe Rogan. I don't know what else we got. Crappy Wednesday. [00:57:18] Speaker B: Is that Crappy Wednesday Dog Wednesday. [00:57:22] Speaker C: Appointment viewing. [00:57:24] Speaker B: Appointment viewing. [00:57:26] Speaker A: When I get the episode out on time. Hey, it's Garrick from the future. You're never gonna believe this, but I forgot to credit Socks again. So we love Socks. Socks makes the sex theme from Everything Is Wrestling. That wonderful song that you hear at the beginning of the show and soon here at the end. You can go to socksedm.bandcamp.com to listen to all of Socks's music and. And give them money, which you should do. Socks. Thank you.