The Roman Empire is Wrestling

[00:00:01] Speaker A: So I. I'm overriding this. Let me show you a card. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, you're overanalyzing. Yeah. [00:00:07] Speaker A: Check this out. Check this out, check this out, check this out. It's in the chat. [00:00:10] Speaker B: I'm looking. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Okay. God. All right, well, I was going to show you something, too, but let's look. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, off you. This is my time to shine. [00:00:19] Speaker B: All right, well, I've. We're walking down to the basement. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. Gay kings. [00:00:29] Speaker B: Are these kings that are gay? And I see. I see colossi in the background that are touching tips, if you will. [00:00:37] Speaker A: These are gay kings. These are. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Please tell our listeners about these gay kings. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Can you. Interior of. Of Melitas. These are some lovely, lovely, canonically husbands. They, they, they, they. They're from Theros. It's a plane that is only about Greek and Roman mythology. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [00:01:03] Speaker C: There are two eights, so I guess they're both bottoms. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, they are. [00:01:07] Speaker B: Oh, that's our guest. Hi. I say, hi, Sophie. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Hi, Sophie. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Well, we'll give you a more formal introduction in a little bit, but, yes, these. [00:01:16] Speaker A: These are so magic. The other ring is full of faggots. And these are some of our favorite canonical husbands. They aren't my favorite male. Male pair. We will get to that when we get to that. [00:01:30] Speaker B: These are some of our finest faggots, [00:01:32] Speaker A: but these are some of my favorite men. [00:01:35] Speaker B: I mean, again, the colossi in the back are touching tips like, I mean, come on. [00:01:43] Speaker A: In the background. I can't remember the name of the card, but they have their own card. [00:01:48] Speaker B: That's so sick. Oh, I love it. All right, well, this is. This is kind of. This relates to. To what we're going to be doing today, which. I'm happy you're here, Sophie, so we can get this to all the same time. So welcome to the lab. You know, don't pay no mind to the various monkey clones. Yeah, they look like variations of me. [00:02:11] Speaker A: There's. [00:02:12] Speaker B: Don't ask. [00:02:12] Speaker A: It's fine, it's fine. It's. You know how Palpatine had a bunch of snokes in, like, a chamber? They're kind of like. [00:02:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So as we get through here, I'm just going to just step through this right here. Yep, yep, yep. I know there's a size difference. Don't say anything about it. I don't want to get sued. All right, hit the button. [00:02:51] Speaker A: Sophie, would you like to introduce yourself? [00:02:53] Speaker B: So, hi. We're here. We're here. And while we're traveling. Yeah. Sophie, you are a guest. We are. We are here on. What's the show I'm doing? I'm. I've done. [00:03:02] Speaker A: So everything is wrestling. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Everything is wrestling. Who are you? Who. Who's talking right now? [00:03:09] Speaker A: Me. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah, you. Who is? [00:03:11] Speaker A: Oh, well, I'm Bugs. [00:03:13] Speaker B: You're Bugs. You're Bugs. Matrix of various fames. You play Magic the Gathering, and you make movies. [00:03:20] Speaker A: I. I am Bugs. Matrix of various monikers. Someone had me on. I was doing a charity stream recently, and people are like, how do we introduce you? And I'm like, God's favorite gas leak. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah, God's favorite gas leak is absolutely correct. And it's been. It's been spreading because, like, I've had you over to the studios now a few times, and, like, the shows on the Wednesday night shows have gotten just unhinged. Bugs. And I'm blame. I'm choosing to blame you. That gathering never stopped. [00:03:58] Speaker A: I. I'd personally rather take the blame than, like, AEW for booking a rapist. [00:04:03] Speaker B: That too. That too. But, you know. Oh, God. [00:04:07] Speaker A: At least he's no longer the reigning king. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Yes. Right. So we don't gotta worry about that. I'm Ella Taylor. We're talking about my other show Wednesday night, Fake Fights. Don't worry about that here. We're here to talk about my theory of everything and with our. Our guest, Sophie. Sophie Edwards, who hosts a YouTube channel. That is awesome. Please tell the people about your YouTube channel, if you will, because we got. Yeah, just about enough time for a plug before our. Our machine here stops, if you could. [00:04:42] Speaker C: Perfect. My channel is called we have Always Existed. It's an exploration of transgender history with a particular focus on the ancient Mediterranean. [00:04:52] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I don't know about y', all, but that kind of real hard kicks, crazy style. Yes. So needless to say, Sophie has one of my favorite YouTube channels of all time, and Sophie is one of my favorite people of all time. So please, please don't get mad at me. This is a time machine, and we are about to land in ancient Rome. So deep breaths, everyone. [00:05:23] Speaker A: Inhale, Exhale. Aqueducts. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Aqueducts. [00:05:27] Speaker A: Fluency. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something I know nothing about. What's going on, why we brought Jupiter. Yeah. Nero. God, I hope not, but. Okay, wait. [00:05:41] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no. So if Sophie can convince me that Nero is trans, I'll, like, rewrite most of my thoughts. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Well, one second. [00:05:49] Speaker C: There is definitely Some gender non conforming behavior that you're. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Wait, wait, wait. [00:05:54] Speaker C: Engaged in. Yes, please tell us Nero is on my list. Okay, so let me preface this by saying that I have not done enough in depth research to like back up what I'm about to say, like really, really solidly. So it's totally possible that this could be wrong and I'm going to contradict myself in a few months when I actually make the video. [00:06:16] Speaker A: But I've never done any research for this. [00:06:20] Speaker B: I was gonna say I do. Everything I do is 90 conjecture. And that's why. I think that's why people listen to me is how. What I've basically. So, yeah, that's fair. [00:06:29] Speaker C: But I don't have that privilege as a historian, so. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah, like as an art historian, I think everything is kind of subjective. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm just, I'm just a shitpost and tranny with a microphone. So I get that's. Yeah. What about, what about Nero being. [00:06:47] Speaker A: Being like, gets Nero in your own time. Gets near in your own time. But like. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:06:53] Speaker A: Like, like, so is ancient Rome grass? [00:06:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Is what we're here to talk about, you know, And I figured, let's find a bath house while we're here. There's got to be. It's ancient Rome. We're walking around. Something's gotta be gained. In the meantime, we have questions that will amount to if we think agent Rome is grabs. And I also have like a list of things that I think we should just talk to you about because we have you here. What? One of the first things if, like, if you want to tell us. All right, I'm, I'm, you know, you say get it to in your own time. I'm like, no, no, no, get, get to it in my time. I'm. As a longtime fan of the show, I was like, wait, this sounds like, this sounds like scoop. What do you got? [00:07:43] Speaker A: I mean, look, look what's going on with Nero. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Sophie, I got you in the hot seat. [00:07:51] Speaker C: I mean, like, to, to kind of like repeat there, there's, there's. Yeah, I, I haven't really gotten to the, the, the specifics yet. And one of the weird things about Nero is everything that was written about him was written like 50 years. I think a minimum of 50 years after he died. Oh, so. [00:08:10] Speaker A: So that's, that's a long time for propaganda to kind of like. [00:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. That's actually an interesting segue into like what I was thinking about when you first told me about this idea. And I was thinking about, okay, well, how would the Roman Empire be wrestling? And of course that is going to be your decision at the, the end of this. [00:08:30] Speaker B: I mean, please. No, well that's the thing. We can, we can talk about it throughout because there's so many ways like you have some pitch me, I have a specific one. But so the, the one that I [00:08:42] Speaker C: was thinking about was like at first I was thinking okay well gladiators, that's clearly the like the clearest. Like yeah, most overt parallel. But then I, I got, I got to thinking about it more and I was like, you know what? Maybe like the political slander was more of a thing. Yeah, because like, I mean the, there's some pretty, pretty awesome stories throughout Roman history of just like they were brutal to each other. Especially like in, in, in, in politics. And that's why like when I did my Elagabolus video, the conclusion that I came to was like it's kind of reasonable to say that you know, Elagabalus wasn't trans. It's also reasonable to say that they were like we. It's. It's difficult to say because yeah, like it's oddly specific how they, how they were slandered but at the same time like that sort of thing happened all the time. Like there was slander about Nero that you know, he was a cross dresser. [00:09:42] Speaker B: Yeah but, but is that just that these senators cutting a promo on a, on a guy. [00:09:49] Speaker C: That's what I'm thinking, right? [00:09:51] Speaker A: Cross dressing slander and like it, it, [00:09:54] Speaker C: it got to the point where it was like there was one I was reading about today where, so there, there's in the Roman Republic. So this is before they had emperors, they had, they had consuls. The, that was the, the head guy. If you want to think of them as like co presidents, that's kind of a simplification but it's good enough for now. [00:10:15] Speaker A: A Senate, but not quite a Senate but like a bunch of dudes. [00:10:18] Speaker C: Well they did have the Senate but the, it was the consuls that were like the top dogs within the Senate. Okay. And they each ruled for a year and Caesar was like a reformer, you know, we might call him a liberal today. Whereas one of the, one of the, his co. Console for the one year, Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus, or we'll just call him Bibulous because it's easier that way. Was. Was like super conservative. Right. And so Caesar wanted to all of these like these like kind of progressive laws and baby list wasn't having any of it. So one time he's trying to pass this law and, you know, Caesar's trying to pass the reform bill. Bibulus opposed it, so he tries to veto it. And Caesar's followers, they're, they're, they're just not into that. So they, he kind of whips them up into a frenzy, and so they attack him. They beat the shit out of all of his bodyguards. They destroy his, his fast case, which is like the symbol of, of power, where we get the word fascism from. [00:11:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. [00:11:22] Speaker B: Yeah, he's bundle of sticks. Also where we get faggots from. Yeah, absolutely. [00:11:27] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Happy prize. [00:11:29] Speaker C: And they dumped a bucket of on his head. [00:11:34] Speaker A: On Bibby. That's crazy. Yeah. [00:11:36] Speaker B: How you gonna dump out Bibby? Come on. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Now. It's debatable whether it was like, actually Caesar's followers or just like a rabid crowd, but either way, it's very, very funny. [00:11:45] Speaker A: I have to think that most of the rabid crowd was pretty probably also in favor of Caesar here. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Caesar's like, stand back and stand by. Rabid cross. [00:11:53] Speaker C: Well, yeah, he was a, he was a populist. [00:11:55] Speaker A: He was pretty popular. He was pretty popular. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, and he was a populist too, right? [00:11:59] Speaker A: Like, yeah, like, like it's, it's, yeah, like, like one does not necessarily need to claim, like, a political party to be like, I'm like, hey, yo, yo. No, Caesar, he's a pretty cool guy. Am I right? Like, you know when you're like the hot dog guy outside of the Senate. [00:12:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Or the Coliseum, when everyone's there to see their, their favorite meaty men slapping meat. Because. Yeah. Like, you have. Oh, my God. No, you make a solid point. Because everything you describe sounds like a wrestling storyline. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:33] Speaker A: That's such a clear cut promo. Like, I can. That's that it. That in and of itself is like two and a half years of solid television before Caesar and BB Throw down. Yeah. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Because what you, you know, what you described as a guy backstage getting jumped by the dude's stable. Wait, wait, wait, boys. You're sending his mooks out to jump, jump the guy while he's like, can [00:12:56] Speaker A: we, can we, can we, can we fold Mr. Hart into this? [00:12:59] Speaker B: Fold Mr. Hart and Jimmy. Yeah, I mean, you could. [00:13:03] Speaker A: I, I, I. Is Jimmy Hart one of their publicists? [00:13:09] Speaker B: Jimmy, Jimmy Hart in, in. If we're talking Jimmy Hart in the ancient world, Jimmy Hart has to be pan. Like, Jimmy Hart is a trickster God. Like, let's be real. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Show me that he's not actually Pan, though. [00:13:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I would say, first and foremost, he might be. So another name that you mentioned that I want to go back to because it's just so cool, and it is pride. Please. I'm gonna butcher the name. [00:13:36] Speaker A: The. [00:13:37] Speaker B: The possibly trans mask Emperor. Please say a little bit about. [00:13:42] Speaker C: You mean Elagabalus, the trans feminine emperor? Yeah. Okay. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Trans femme Emperor. Okay, I forgot. I thought it was trans mask. [00:13:48] Speaker A: No, no, I was gonna say if we had a trans mask emperor. I need to drop my shorts and jump into the time machine. Like, let me, Adam. Let me, Adam. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Apparently, we have an impress. My bad. That's just me taking the wrong note. I was like, it's been a while since I watched the video. [00:14:09] Speaker C: That's okay. It's been a while since I shot the video. Right, so Elagabalus was born in, I think, like, the early 200s. Late. Late 1- hundreds. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Wait, hold on, hold on. You can't say that. There's a tranny named Ella Gobalis. Like, come on. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Where do you think I got my name from? [00:14:29] Speaker A: Ella Gobalis. Like, girly cob. Calm down. [00:14:36] Speaker C: It's probably more accurate to say Elagabalus, but whatever, Ellis. And they. [00:14:41] Speaker B: Nobody actually says. [00:14:43] Speaker C: Here's the interesting part. Like, nobody ever actually called them that. Their name is. Was it Marcus Aurelius something? But there's, like, seven or eight different emperors. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Aurelius, I was gonna say. I was gonna say, like. And someone's taxes looked crazy. Or like. Yeah, [00:15:05] Speaker B: someone. Someone. Someone's parents have a hyperlink in Wikipedia. Okay, thank you. I'm feeling Nepo baby here. I'm just saying, with a name like that. [00:15:19] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Anyways, like, I can't breathe, but I need to get that outer. It's gonna rot my brain forever. Thank you. This is why podcasting. [00:15:29] Speaker C: No worries, no worries. So. So they were the, like, priest of this sun God from, like, modern day, like, Syria, Lebanon, that sort of area called Alagabalas, which is why we call them that. They came to Rome. They were. They were part of a dynasty. The dynasty was briefly deposed, and then they killed the guy who killed the previous dynasty member and then came back. So. [00:15:57] Speaker A: So they. They reposed. [00:15:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Reposed. Yeah, there's. There's all sorts of stuff that's said about them. They like things like they. They had apparently five different marriages, including one where they married a vestal virgin, which is, like, the same thing as marrying a nun. Right? Like, it's just not something you do. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Some OGAs, first off. But, like. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah, wait, I'VE seen that movie. [00:16:22] Speaker C: I was gonna say they, Gosh, what else did they do? It's been so long since I wrote this, this, this video. They, they, they're apparently spent a lot of time in the brothels, but not as a client, but as say, like, you know, the one providing the service [00:16:42] Speaker A: boost or, or potentially as a cuck. [00:16:46] Speaker C: Well, she was a size queen. We're told. We're told she was a size queen. Let's just. [00:16:53] Speaker B: All right, hold on real quick. Pause. How, how awesome would you have to feel that like two thou, however thousand many years after you're alive, you have a bunch of trannies on a podcast talking about how there is written record of you being a size queen. Queen. Yeah, like, like that's the kind of life I want to live, isn't it? Like, isn't that what you want? [00:17:19] Speaker C: If indeed she was trans, yes, that would be very funny. [00:17:24] Speaker A: But, and you know what? Even if she's not. [00:17:30] Speaker B: But yes, we, yeah, we forget you're an academic. You have to be careful. Allegedly. [00:17:35] Speaker C: Of course. [00:17:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:38] Speaker C: Let me find the quotes because the quotes are actually like, pretty awesome. Like this chick. [00:17:46] Speaker A: Hell, why? Also, if she was a dude, I'd still suck his dick. [00:17:52] Speaker B: Well, hey, right? Do you have the quotes? [00:17:55] Speaker C: I do, I do. Here's some. So I'll, I'll use my historical quote voice. [00:18:01] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Oh. [00:18:02] Speaker C: When Aurelius addressed her with the usual salutation, my lord Emperor, hail Elagabalus, bent her neck so as to assume a ravishing feminine pose, and turning her eyes upon him with a melting gaze, answered, answered without any hesitation. Call me not Lord, for I am a lady. [00:18:22] Speaker B: I am no man. Like, come on, where is she ruling [00:18:27] Speaker A: and can I get a plot there? I will be a surf. [00:18:29] Speaker B: I don't give a. I'm saying like, so we kind of talk, we talked about briefly, but like, that's just so cool. But I do want to. I was gonna say briefly. [00:18:40] Speaker A: Oh my. [00:18:41] Speaker C: That was Cassius Dio, by the way. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Oh my go. Oh my God. Like, I, I had a thought and I can't even think about it anymore. Like, because, like, that was just so amazing. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Oh, sorry. No. [00:18:57] Speaker B: What you got? [00:18:59] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'm, I'm just horny for the trans. Empress. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Okay, look, all right, aren't we all? But yeah, like, here's another one. [00:19:10] Speaker C: Here, here's, here's, here's the one. The, the, the. This, you'll like this one. This, this is from the Historia Augusta, which is like pretty universally acknowledged to Be like pretty much the least reliable source on anything from the ancient world. But that said, here we go. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Wait, wait. Oh yeah, but before, before we go into that. I want to become the least reliable source on anything. Like, I want to be universally acknowledged as the least reliable person. Like Gods, God's most yapper. Like, like I, I need, I need like, like 1500 years from now. I need somebody a little Bugs Matrix said this once in a while. Yeah, Bugs Matrix is a bunch of shit. [00:19:49] Speaker C: I believe in you. Or should I say I don't believe in you. Which one is more like affirming here? [00:19:54] Speaker B: It's gonna be the, you're gonna be the Pliny the Elder of trans culture. [00:19:59] Speaker A: Like, yeah, I just want to be the Jimmy Hart. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Yeah, let's go. Anyways, I, Please deliver me this, this quote and then we should move on to things. [00:20:12] Speaker C: But yes, okay, so the, the author of the Historia Gusa, the anonymous author, says that Elagabalus quote did nothing but send out agents to search for those who had particularly large organs and bring them to the palace in order that she might enjoy their vigor. She made a public bath in the imperial palace and at the same time threw open the baths of Plautinus to the populace. That by this means she might get a supply of men with unusually large organs. [00:20:40] Speaker A: Queen. Queen. Queen. Queen. Queen. Queen. Queen. [00:20:43] Speaker C: Qu. Queen. [00:20:45] Speaker A: Queen. Queen. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Queen. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Queen. Queen. [00:20:47] Speaker B: All hail the queen. Again, a whole entire pride vibe. Bring me your largest penis. [00:20:59] Speaker C: By the way. She was 15 at the time. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Just, just, she's 15, so like good for her. She knew what she was about and she knew what she wanted. [00:21:07] Speaker C: 15 year old transsexual hooker who's a size queen. [00:21:11] Speaker A: Look, look like, like as someone who was, I was closeted and trying to figure out how to come out at the time, but like I would. I was also a very trans 15 year old and big same bestie. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:21:27] Speaker A: yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:21:29] Speaker B: So like an absolute hero. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Show me the members. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Yeah, absolute hero. Patron Saint patron. Like even more so than hermaphroditis. Like that's just that I feel like that's like if I remember correctly, those myths are more like the trans despair, whereas that like, like Eladopoulos is like trans joy. You know what I mean? Like that's, that, that's we love when a girl's winning, you know, like, and [00:21:58] Speaker A: again, if she happened to not be trans, because again, none of us are there. Queen. I, I love this for her. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Queen. Queen. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Like, like I, I, I, I, I can like, like baby girl, please high five me. While we share this bag of wine. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, Well, bag of something. So I want to talk about something that I love so much from your videos. Not hermaphroditis, but I mean, we could. But we only have so much time. What? Talk about graphs. I already know how this is graphs. Because in graphs there's a lot of what I like to call CIS hrt, where, you know, these men are plenty familiar with hormones and injecting them, I assure you. [00:22:56] Speaker C: Not surprised. [00:22:58] Speaker A: What? [00:22:58] Speaker B: I. One of the things that drew me to your channel when I first found it, that I thought was just so fascinating. And the things that I still. These are like factoids that I still drop on who are like, you're just a man dress. I'm like, we are older than your God and I will be here long after you are gone. You know, you know this sort of trans. Yeah, right. No, you. You are the. Oh, my God, you're like the guest priestess. How you preach. So, like, how. Please tell our listeners. And bugs. Because bugs. I don't know if you know this. How. How did we used to hrt? [00:23:39] Speaker A: Well, I'm a dumbass, so please, please enlighten me. How. [00:23:42] Speaker B: How. How did the girls used to get the girl juice? [00:23:46] Speaker C: So this is another. Like, we don't fully know this. So there's another group of. There's this, it's. I'm going to try to keep this as short as I can, but you know how I am. You've seen my videos. [00:24:01] Speaker B: Yes, yes. So I know I'm asking a lot. [00:24:04] Speaker C: There's a culture called the Scythians. They're around like the area, like modern day southern Ukraine, around that area. And among the. They were in a literate culture. So everything we know about them comes from the nearby Greeks who visited them and wrote about them. They had. They were a group of them in their society called the Inaris. The Inaris were what we might describe as assigned male at birth, but they played a woman's role in society. That part is not really up for debate. It. It seems pretty clear that they were like, they. They were pretty clearly like trans figures and they were. They were priestesses. There's one role we know they played which was they had like a. They helped figure out why the king got sick, if he was sick. But we, like you assume the king didn't get sick every day. Right. So they must have had something else to do, but we don't know what. What it was. So they, they did have at least one important role to play. [00:24:58] Speaker A: They were on discord playing World of [00:24:59] Speaker C: Tanks well, perhaps they also. It seemed like they also smoked pots. [00:25:04] Speaker B: So, [00:25:06] Speaker C: like, we. We found evidence of, like, basically the hot boxes that they've created. It's. It rules. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Amazing. Yeah, I. I wasn't aware of that. I have them in my notes as our hot goth girl ancestors because I know that they had the snake. [00:25:22] Speaker C: Give me like, three minutes and I'll find a picture of it. [00:25:25] Speaker B: Oh, please do. [00:25:25] Speaker A: Because also I'll. I. I just want to highlight, like, in a literate society, I'm like, so you mean most of America right now? [00:25:32] Speaker B: Hey. Oh, I'm sad now, but no way. I love that because it goes with my notes because, like, that was the other thing is their God, their goddess was like a serpent goddess, right? That's a serpent goddess one. [00:25:46] Speaker A: She. [00:25:46] Speaker C: It's. Yeah, ish. Like, it's. [00:25:49] Speaker B: Well, you know what I mean. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Around about may or may not. [00:25:53] Speaker C: It's. It's. It's a. It's a version of Aphrodite, basically. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Version. All right. Even better. So like, yeah, no, I had in my notes from. I remember I was like, these are hot, hot goth girl ancestors. And then you tell me they're. They're fucking hot boxing. And. And I was just like, these are the dolls. This is. These are my dolls. [00:26:11] Speaker A: Like, literally, they may or may not have worshiped a snake. Is so funny. [00:26:15] Speaker B: And they may or may not worship a snake and. Or the love goddess who is like, amazing in her own right. Yeah. God love. Oh, my God. So, like, fantastic. So there, look, I ate you some. Ate you up some time for you to. To find the hot boxes. [00:26:30] Speaker C: But, like, yeah, I lent the book that it is in to. To. To my friend. So unfortunately, I don't have the book. I'm just trying to find a picture of it online. But it. It does. [00:26:41] Speaker A: It. [00:26:41] Speaker C: It. It totally. But anyway, so they. They did like. They. They pretty clearly did have, like, they pretty clearly were trans. There is. There's evidence. It's not conclusive evidence, but it is evidence that they. They distilled the urine of a pregnant horse and a pregnant horse's urine. I can't believe that I've become. I. I am the girl who talks about horse piss to anybody who will listen. And I can't believe this is my life, but. [00:27:22] Speaker A: So for what it's worth, my ex boyfriend would talk to me about duck penises all the time. [00:27:30] Speaker B: So there's worse things. [00:27:32] Speaker A: He's. No, like, he's like, like funniest trans guy I've ever met. [00:27:36] Speaker B: Oh, amazing. Like duck penises are wild. [00:27:39] Speaker A: Yap about duck. Duck dick. Because, like, dog, they corkscrew in weird and wild ways. So, like horse piss, though. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Horse piss, though. But I was gonna say I'm the. I'm the weirdo who asked you to come on the podcast to talk about horse piss. So. [00:27:52] Speaker C: That is true. That is true. So, yeah, it's. [00:27:54] Speaker A: It's. [00:27:54] Speaker C: It's neither. It really. It's your fault. [00:27:57] Speaker B: It is. [00:27:57] Speaker C: But so they. The pregnant mare urine is one of the most potent sources of. Of. Of estrogen in the natural world, which is where, like, you might have heard of the drug Premarin before. That is a portmanteau of pregnant mare urine. Premarin. So we know that. That the Scythians relied on horses a lot. We know that it was known that you could use pregnant horse piss extract as a beauty treatment because Ovid writes about it in. In he was a Roman, so he wasn't a Scythian, but that, you know, it was at least known. So is it possible that binaries drank pregnant mare urine and used them. Used it to feminize themselves? No, because there's not enough, like, the. The amount of estrogen in pregnant mare urine. Like, you'd have to drink, like, so much. You'd have to drink, I think, like 50 gallons a day to get even. Minimum feminizing effect. And you would just die. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Yeah, like no e girl could ever. [00:29:02] Speaker C: However, if you took. If you took. This is again, what is my life. If you take cheese curds and soak them in pregnant Mary urine, they will draw the estrogen to them. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Wisconsin, take notes. [00:29:18] Speaker C: And if you take them out of that and put them in another one and continue, then you can get a nice tasty little estrogen chop slack. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Wisconsin, Wisconsin, I'm sending out to you. You have exactly one mission. Horse piss. Cheese curds. Horse piss. Cheese curds. Horse cheese curds. [00:29:40] Speaker B: My long abandoned motherland. Please do this one thing right by the girls. [00:29:47] Speaker A: So I have an unhealthily positive view of Wisconsin, unlike most people, because I've only slept with a bunch of faggots from there. And everyone. [00:29:58] Speaker B: We explored some fine faggots. [00:30:00] Speaker A: Everyone I know from Wisconsin is really gay. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Yeah, no, we do. We export some fine faggots. We really do. [00:30:09] Speaker A: I love the gays that Wisconsin happens. But like, look, you got the dells, you got the tells. Do that. Wisconsin. Just firewalk with me on this one little trip. Put the piss in the curds. Put the piss in the curds. Put the piss. [00:30:25] Speaker B: So amazing. So I Love that. I love that so much. So we already touched on the Inari too, because of that, so I'm so happy. I asked about. Thank you so much. [00:30:33] Speaker C: I found. I found the picture, by the way. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:30:37] Speaker C: It. It's not. It doesn't look super impressive, but like, that is basically. They would make a tent out of that and they would hot box it. And that, the little abrasion. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Oh, I would. [00:30:45] Speaker B: I would get. [00:30:46] Speaker A: Get stoned as you throw a sheet over that I will be ripping up every day. That's such a. That's such a well constructed object. Hold on. No, like, like, yeah, you think that's not impressive? I'm like. I'm like, no, I want to hang out there. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Yeah. No, it's like a very simple little game that you. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Could you show me a bunch with a couple arm tattoos who's like throwing it up and she's like tying it together and she's like, yeah, we're gonna get high in here. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are. [00:31:18] Speaker B: Are we? [00:31:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Tell me all about how we are. Yeah. So, like, God damn. I love. I'm so bugs. I'm so happy we decided to do this show. This is so fun. So. God, you've already touched on, like, so many things I want to talk about. We've already talked about a lot of ways that it's. Right. Wrestling. I did. Oh, that guy looked like some sort of royal. I'm sure that's fine. So anyways, a few things we should still talk about. Event, you know, Coliseum, kayfabe. We touch. You touched on that. It's the thing that made me want to bring you back. And I think we should touch on the fact that, like, you. You came on one of my very old shows and. And blew my absolute mind with this fact. And then I had time on that show. [00:32:16] Speaker C: That was fun. [00:32:17] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you. It's evolved into a modern show where we watch better wrestling. Bugs has been on it. It was. [00:32:23] Speaker A: They have. Well, I'm not gonna say it was a blast because specifically of the episode that I was. [00:32:28] Speaker B: I don't want to talk about that anymore. So. Yeah. [00:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's. He got just throne, so it's okay. [00:32:36] Speaker B: Yeah, but like, but. But Jesus Christ, it casts such a shadow. I felt so bad. But hey, come hang out and have this good time. I'm like, now we have to have very serious talk about. About me too. And consent and like, thing, like. And it was. Yeah, no, it was rough. So, like, unhappier. Times, but oddly enough, worse. Worse wrestling. You blew my mind with the fact that, like, like, not every. Not every gladiator died. Every time they might say that they did, but, you know, they're wearing a. [00:33:09] Speaker A: Wait, wait, wait, wait. They didn't. Wait, wait. They would. They would play death but not die. Hold on. [00:33:17] Speaker C: Not. Not quite. Not quite. So they like it. It's. It's interesting because, like, so what. What we understand is, like, they. People absolutely died in the arena, right? Like, absolutely. [00:33:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:33:29] Speaker C: Definitely happened. [00:33:30] Speaker A: It's killing people. [00:33:33] Speaker C: Yeah. But, like, eventually you run out. There were all sorts of people. There were. There were. It wasn't just Christians, but there were lots of. [00:33:40] Speaker A: But they. They. [00:33:41] Speaker C: They were some, like. Like, you'd get, like, you'd send prisoners of war there, basically. It was a great way to, like, you'd execute people in the arena. You just, like, dispose of people that you didn't really want in the arena. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the place for killing people. [00:33:54] Speaker C: Well, yeah, exactly. But after a while, if you like, what we understand is, like. And a lot of this is kind of muddy as well, but it might have been the case that, like, after the first couple of rounds, like, if you survive the first couple, you know, your. Your first few rounds, like, people will start to take a liking to you. They'll start to remember you and they'll start to think of you as, like, you're the guy that we like or the. Or the girl that we like. There were women gladiators, too. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You're the guy who does the thing. [00:34:24] Speaker B: You're over, brother, as they would say in parlance. [00:34:29] Speaker C: And so they, like, they would learn how to, like, basically play it up. So, like, they. We. We think. We think they would learn how to, like, you know, slice the spot. That would make the blood spurt and, oh, the crowd goes wild. But, like, you wouldn't hit anybody. [00:34:45] Speaker A: Lord. [00:34:45] Speaker C: Right? So, like, it would still hurt in the same way that wrestling, like, it clearly, it still hurts, but it doesn't hurt as much as it looked like it hurts. [00:34:53] Speaker B: Sophie, you're literally describing a blade job. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Wait, wait, wait. They literally. [00:35:00] Speaker B: You're saying they literally saying they bladed. No, I'm losing my mind. It's grabs. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Who was the first person to tell them to do this? Yeah, because like. Like. Like what's. What's ancient? Who is ancient rooms? McMahon. [00:35:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Who. Yeah, yeah. Who is an ancient promoter, you know? [00:35:23] Speaker A: Well, the probably, like, who's. Who's. Jim is Hartus. [00:35:28] Speaker B: Yeah, Jim is hardest. [00:35:31] Speaker A: There were. [00:35:32] Speaker C: There were like, we wouldn't call them promoters, but, like, there. There were, like, there was a business behind it. And that's another reason why it wasn't necessarily deadly, because, like, if you invested in, you know, like, you'd have to feed your gladiator, you'd have to house them, you'd have to make sure they're healthy. You'd have to train them. Like, obviously, that takes a lot of money, and so you don't want your gladiator to die in, like, the first match. And. And so, like, you. You'd. You. You'd hold on to them and keep them and train them, and, like, you wouldn't want them to get murdered. And of course, if you're, like, they. They also, like, tended to match up, like, reasonably equal partners, so it wasn't, like. Right. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Like, it would be. It'd be a fair fight. It'd be a fair fight. [00:36:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. More or less. Yeah. So bearish. So, yeah, so you wouldn't want, like. Like, you know, like a complete, like, ignorant doofus versus, like, a trained veteran. Right? Because then your veteran might die, and you don't want that. So. Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah. That's amazing. [00:36:30] Speaker A: Wait, they had promoters, though? Hold on. No, no. There. There is an ancient Rome. Jimmy Hart. [00:36:35] Speaker B: There is. And there is. And also a thing that I know outside of Sophie's, awesome work, just because, again, I'm just a. For this kind of history. And that's how I found you. Is that, like, that we have basically, like, promo posters for the Coliseum featuring gladiators that are like, like, known. Like, we can kind of see him as, like, known commodities. Like, it's like, come see this. The superstar. Like, there were suit. There were superstar gladiators, like Russell Crowe. [00:37:10] Speaker A: It makes sense because, like, like, like, why would you go to the Coliseum if, like, it's. Oh, these two guys are gonna beat each other to death? I'm like, I don't care about that. But it's like. [00:37:20] Speaker C: It's like, sometimes you'd want. [00:37:22] Speaker A: John Scarecrow is gonna beat the Bluster to death. [00:37:27] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:37:29] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. As a blister fan, like, I. I don't. I don't think that's true. I'd like to kill John Scarecrow. [00:37:37] Speaker B: I. I think that John Scarecrow is going down, to be honest. Yeah. [00:37:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Like. Like, that's. [00:37:43] Speaker B: No, but, like, I need a John Cena gladiator who comes out and does, like, the. You can't see me and. And then just get mauled by Tiger. [00:37:55] Speaker A: No, but, like, I. I. [00:37:56] Speaker B: Good golly. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Gosh, damn. Gosh. I really want to know who the Jimmy Harts of this era were. [00:38:05] Speaker C: Like, I don't know who Jimmy Hart is. Who's Jimmy Hart? [00:38:08] Speaker A: Oh, Ella, take the stage. [00:38:10] Speaker B: All right. Yeah. Okay. This is gonna be a great transition, and thank you. Also, I remember who that on the horse reminded me of. And as much as we just talked about, we could just talk about how this is grabs because, like, that's grabs a superstar in the poster doing blade jobs, not necessarily dying. [00:38:32] Speaker A: This is like. Like mountain goats choked out level of grabs. [00:38:36] Speaker B: This is. It's grabs tasks. But I can go grabs further because I like dropping a little bit of graps lore on folks because, you know, they might not necessarily be here for the grabs. I don't want to assume that everyone who's here. [00:38:47] Speaker A: My mom listens to the pod. She does not know it grabs us. [00:38:50] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. So. Oh, all right, well, I can tell you about that, but neither here nor there. Oh, no. Now I lost my train of thought. [00:38:59] Speaker A: No, just. Just explain Jimmy. Explain Jimmy. [00:39:01] Speaker B: Jimmy Hart. Yes. Thank you, Jimmy Hart. So Jimmy Hart is a. Is a little imp. He's a little gremlin imp. Chaos gremlin. No, he's. He's a manager for a lot of people. But you know how likely wrestlers have, like, a manager, like, their guy who's on the outside, and he would have, like, a megaphone, and he would wear these, like, suits that were airbrushed with his guy on the back or himself. Like, he. And he was just this amazing character, and he just sounds like this and like. And just go get him, Terry. [00:39:34] Speaker A: I mean, Hulk, if Mickey Mouse was evil and gave you a shank. [00:39:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:39:39] Speaker C: I was just gonna say he's very Mickey Mouse. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Ish. Real Mickey Mouse machine. [00:39:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but. But for Southern, you know, and like, that. He's absolutely. That. We may or may not have gone into giggles doing that to each other on other podcasts before. Talk about gas leaks. They had to shut down that Shoney's. So he, like, he's just. It's what kind of thing, too, where he's everywhere. Like, any. So many areas. It's like I. I described him as like a homunculus of his own. It's like pro wrestling created him Almost. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Almost. [00:40:20] Speaker B: More like a Tulpa. Like. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Like, yeah, like, topa is better than homunculus. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Definitely. Yes. Y. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Like, he. He is this entity that only happens because of explicitly the McMahon takeover and the creation of the WWE. [00:40:35] Speaker B: Well, no, he came. No, no, not even that. He came around Way before that. But he. [00:40:39] Speaker A: No, but like, but like, I, I, I think like, like, you only know [00:40:43] Speaker B: him because of Vince. [00:40:46] Speaker A: But, but I don't, I don't think he becomes Jimmy Hart without a wide scale. [00:40:53] Speaker B: No, not, not on a wide scale. Also, a lot of the, A lot of that is. A lot of that is WCW too, which is what I'm gonna talk about a bit here too, because really, it's. What really took him to the next level was, was Terry, was Hulk. He got in working with Hulk and that's what he. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Like Terry. Jesus, I hate this. I. Oh, my God. Like, like resin piss. I, I had, I had. My most viral blue sky post was on Terry stuff. [00:41:32] Speaker B: Really? Oh, well, now I. Please, please tell me I have. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Well, no, no, no. [00:41:36] Speaker C: It. [00:41:36] Speaker A: And it was a misnomer because I forgot. That's not what he said. But enough people also forgot this. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Please lay it on me. I swear I'll get to my point, but I, I need. [00:41:49] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. The tweet was this. Hell, question mark. Yeah, brother. [00:41:57] Speaker C: Brilliant. Brilliant. [00:41:59] Speaker A: And that the only thing that he tried to do to cleanse his soul was being Gremlins told. And I. No, I, I no. Okay. [00:42:09] Speaker C: That movie rips. [00:42:10] Speaker A: I love that movie. I love Gremlins too, so much. Also is kind of my bible. I will not get into this on this podcast. [00:42:17] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, well, hold on. I was gonna say don't, because like, like spoilers. Gremlins 2 is grab. So we. We'll be getting there. Yeah, [00:42:28] Speaker A: no, Gremlins 2 is probably the only movie ever made. [00:42:35] Speaker B: The only one. Yeah. When you think about it, really. Joe Dante, call us. So anyways, to, to, to bring us around to the end because like, we talked about all kind. I. I don't feel like I have to try hard. I feel like my point is made. This is grabs. If anything, it's proof that sports entertainment, professional wrestling, whatever the you want to call it, this thing they do has literally been around since ancient times. And that so hard. And I just, it's for. To me, it's further proof that, like, we're gonna go into the future and the only thing left is gonna be cockroaches and Paul Heyman promoting. [00:43:17] Speaker A: No, no, no. I, I have, I have a script written for a comic that it's nothing but cockroaches and Newt Gingrich. [00:43:26] Speaker B: That's amazing. And. But Paul, I know he's gonna find Paul Heyman, though. I'm telling you. But Paul Heyman will survive all. But that's again, a Different podcast. This to me, the thing when we talked about doing, like, what was the Roman Empire wrestling? Because they, you know that joke of, like, you know, your Roman Empire. And I was like, well, kind of quite literally in that they literally called Vince McMahon Caesar. [00:43:55] Speaker C: Oh, gosh. [00:43:57] Speaker B: Because of what he did. So very briefly, to wrap this up, even though my point is already proven for folks who might not know about craps, you know, I'm all about a little bit of lore. I'm gonna vary briefly since. Thank you, Sophie. You've talked so much about all the things we asked, and I appreciate that of you. [00:44:13] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:44:14] Speaker B: I'm gonna tell you a little bit about Black Saturday, very briefly. You could literally go on for hours. There's a podcast that does. They're better than me. Black Saturday refers to Saturday, July 14, 1984. There's a lot that worked up to that. Black Saturday. And that the things that worked up to that and the things that came after is why the boys in the back would jokingly call Vince Caesar. Take a seat. So that's the day when Vince McMahon's WWF took over the time slot on the TBS superstation that had been home to Georgia Championship Wrestling's weekly program, which you might recognize the name of, of World Championship Wrestling, WCW. He. Vince McMahon, had been for years. Now. It basically, as soon as his, like, dad started, like, winding down and became clear is going to give it to him. He. His dad never wanted him to do this. His dad respected, to a certain extent, the territory system that existed before where everyone kind of worked together and all that and, like, work with each other. Basically. It was like a union of promoters instead of workers. It was terrible. It was a union of management. It needed to die. But the way. Yeah, but the way it went down was terrible because he. He divided and conquered, right? So what he ended up doing is he took all of his daddy's money because his daddy had already left the nwa because him, like, yeah, he didn't. He couldn't say. So he took his daddy's money and he proceeds to. Basically, what he did is he did. He would show up in the territory. And they call it that because back in the day, the territory was basically as far as you could broadcast your television program. So literally came down to, like, signal, you know what I mean? Like, if you can only get so far and that that was your region. So he would show up and then buy out the time slots and just show tapes of his guys doing house shows wherever. And it wasn't great. Like, you know, he had Some good graphs, but it wasn't, it wasn't their local. And, and, but there's nothing you could do because the guys who, the guys who run the station are like, well, he's giving us a better deal because we have the money. So, like, because he has the money, so it just undersells them. And if he couldn't get him underselling him, he would just straight out buy out the promotion and integrate all of their people and their best stars and all that into his stuff and just swallow it up. Sound like anyone you know? [00:46:53] Speaker C: Yeah, a little bit. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that get. Oh, yeah, again, that on the horse. I know where I knew him from, so, yeah, he, this guy got a conquer at all costs, expand or die. And that's what he did. And there's only a few holdouts. Vern Gagna up in the, the awa, up in our territory here. The local guy. Yeah, our Minnesota Mini, the Minneapolis region. The, the guy local guy for me, he held out almost to the end. Eventually fell because he just, the money was too good. There, uh, lots of reasons. The, the awa. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Honest. Really? I will never fall to girly pop for like, oh, they, they bought me out and this covers my taxes for the rest of my life. [00:47:48] Speaker B: Hi. So Ella here from the future real quick to let you know I messed up. Gave you the wrong info. Verne never sold out. Vern held out and eventually just fell the off. The AWA fell apart because they, they couldn't compete. They couldn't compete with Vince, mostly because he stole all their best people, namely a certain Terry Hulk Hogan. And yeah, proceeded to become the biggest thing in wrestling and almost the only name in wrestling. And yeah, Vern just, he couldn't. Everyone passed by. There was nothing else left. He was one of the last holdouts, but he just ran out of money. And they kept making stupid business decisions, stupid creative decisions, and they didn't have anyone. So, yeah, they ran out of money and the promotion just died on the vine. But anyways, back to the show. [00:48:46] Speaker A: I, I, I'm okay. I, I think that selling out is kind of okay. [00:48:51] Speaker C: Yeah, Depends on whom you sell out to. [00:48:55] Speaker B: Well, yeah. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Yes, well, yes. And also. And why. [00:49:01] Speaker B: And, and again, I remind you that people were. Everyone we're talking about is management and thus monsters. [00:49:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that selling out is not the monster that we make it to. That, that, that is the crazy thing that I will die on. I, I won't, like, I won't sell out to fascists. [00:49:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, right. [00:49:27] Speaker C: It's, that's that's the question is like who you're selling out to and why. [00:49:31] Speaker A: Right, like right, right, right. But, but I, I, I don't think that like, like should capital behave in a unnecessarily understandable system? I don't think that. But also like that's, it's, it, it becomes so hypothetical because we're always already selling out to hell. [00:49:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:55] Speaker A: So like, like, like, like, like, like, like that's which is where my horse gets kneecapped and then we glue it [00:50:07] Speaker B: that well. I'm just saying I'm sitting here going, that's literally a different episode of the same show. Three of them actually. What? One of which is coming up in a couple weeks. [00:50:19] Speaker A: I, I, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, Let me, how do I say this? [00:50:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:28] Speaker A: I don't hate someone for selling out for the necessities because they are helping other people. Okay. [00:50:37] Speaker B: And that's a lot of good was. [00:50:39] Speaker A: And also, and also, and also there's probably no good way of actually selling out. Like, like, like, like, like it's, it's, I really hate to give it to like 90s all guys who hated selling all but like it's, it's, it's, they were right for the wrong reasons. Like, like it's no, no. Like selling out to the corporate record deal means your great gang grandkids have a college fund. You dipshit it. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:51:14] Speaker A: And also that record industry is going to be bought by VC capital in like two years and they're gonna bomb people you've never heard of. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And like, and, and it ends up it's bigger than, than you anyways. And that's actually a great transition back to Black Saturday because that's what Black Saturday was. Because eventually Vince hits this wall and the wall is Ted Turner and Jim Crockett Promotions and they don't. [00:51:44] Speaker A: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like, brief aside. [00:51:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:47] Speaker A: Ted Turner's back and forth on color or not color for TCW is so funny. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Yeah. In general. Yeah. [00:51:58] Speaker A: Sorry, sorry, sorry. You can't bring up Ted Turner around me without me being like, remember how. Anywho, Rip and chip. [00:52:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Rip, Rip Teddy, like you, you gave us so much good wrestling that we're talking about. But also the 24 hour news cycle which is grabs again further down the road. But yeah. So like he ran into the problem that was Ted Turner. Because Ted Turner loves wrestling. He always has. He was the one who gave Georgia Championship Wrestling which got bought up by Jim Crockett and basically formed his own company called WCW eventually because like wait, well, we'll get there. I'm getting now I'm getting ahead of myself. Ted Turner like had gave that time slot to Jim Crockett and Georgia Championship and they had a show called wcw. [00:52:56] Speaker A: You. [00:52:57] Speaker B: That's where like Ric Flair and Dusty Rose and, and you know, Malcolm Dream and all that. That, that a lot of the. Where those guys like where like that. That's the show that Dusty Rhodes cut the Hard Times promo on for folks who are listening but you know, might have an idea of what that is like. It's a historic thing. He, he wouldn't. They wouldn't give it up. Jim Crockett wouldn't. Foxley. This is a brand new dressy. I swear to Bob. Get your. [00:53:24] Speaker A: Oh, oh, oh, oh. Mox cameo Mox Moxie baby. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Oh my God. I swear to God. [00:53:31] Speaker A: Wait, she is she, is she in a bad girl like little bubble head? [00:53:35] Speaker B: Oh no. She has a donut of shame right now because she over groomed a spot. Yeah. So she's got a fleshy daughter. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Oh my God. [00:53:47] Speaker C: Tragic little beast. [00:53:49] Speaker B: Yeah. She's so mad right now and I have to get her claws because she's clawing at mama's brand new pink dress. So we're gonna, we're gonna. [00:53:58] Speaker A: I have a mountain goat song for that, right? Song for everything. [00:54:04] Speaker B: So like right. That's again a whole separate podcast. But yeah, the. So like he was the holdout and Vince is like, okay, well if y' all won't sell to me, I will. I'll just buy your time slot. And like so he bought the time slot and people who like this was the thing. It thing too. Where like the lo. It, it was. This was an old show. Like the, the people loved it. It was like the local regional thing. They didn't like New York. They called it New York. They didn't like the hoity toity northerner stuff. They liked their, their Georgia Championship Wrestling. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Wrestling. [00:54:42] Speaker B: So like all of a sudden they go to watch TV on July 14, 1984 and they go to turn on their Georgia Championship Wrestling and there's Vince McMahon on their TV introducing just like a VHS tape of some matches of his guys. And like, like I won. And like it was, it was the, it was the total cocker moment where, where, where he was like, no, I, I, I'm, I'm taking it. You don't seem to understand. [00:55:13] Speaker A: That's how the dynasty started. Are you kidding me? [00:55:16] Speaker B: That was one of the biggest moments and it Led to a lot of that's how it's and yeah, and that's how that led. That's what led to wcw the company. [00:55:29] Speaker A: No no, like that's, that's how, that's how Vinnie Mickey became God's worst soldier. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Like the start of it. Yeah. Is like he, he. That was how. That's, that's the start of why he hates Ted Turner like he does. [00:55:45] Speaker A: Is this moment cold in the ground Vinnie. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Yeah, but this is why yeah. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Cut this, cut this if you want to but like you. Mother her. [00:56:06] Speaker B: So this is what started the the, the me that mutual hatred. So like but this was his conquering moment. And eventually like oh Sophie raising hand or just playing with your ring? [00:56:17] Speaker C: No, just playing with my ring. [00:56:18] Speaker B: Oh, happy to help mother. And eventually like, like, like 15 years later he buys the company that Ted made to get around that out from under him. And that's when it's like complete it's done. Rome is like Caesar is, is let's not worry about those Scots above that wall. We're not gonna think about that. That's. That's Ring of Honor. That's the Indies. Those guys. Which is now AEW coming for his lunch. But that's either here nor there. But yeah so that's the how it's grabs too. Is that like the history of all this? Vinnie Mac is literally Caesar and he conquered it all. [00:57:02] Speaker A: And we're in gimmick brother. [00:57:09] Speaker B: Gimmick Ra. Yeah right. So yeah that's how that's this. There's so many ways that it scraps but that's the way I wanted to share for folks folks is the a quick little brief little story because eventually and like this how he I skipped over a bunch of stuff basically you've talked about though it was you actually said it bugs the selling out because that's what happened is everyone but one guy in GCW said it give me the money and it was enough to buy out the one guy who didn't. [00:57:42] Speaker A: And, and like and I I don't want to sound like an but I'm like, I'm like listen, you can't take it with you so give me the money so I can give it you to of my people. [00:57:52] Speaker B: And he got a job forever. One of them several Jerry Briscoe he was on like I, I watched him when I was a kid. [00:57:59] Speaker A: I I, I don't fault sellouts. [00:58:02] Speaker B: Yeah I can't especially right now. Depending on right now depending on what you're selling out to like you know there's limits. But like I would do a lot [00:58:12] Speaker A: for money right now as a look, if I could make, make 13 people whole by doing something that I think kind of sucks, I will do that. [00:58:23] Speaker B: Heartbeat. Yeah. I'm telling all of our listeners right now, like we joked about that when we gave birth to this pod baby. Is that, yeah. If we ever get that I heart money, I don't give a, like that's, that's happening. Just give it to me. [00:58:38] Speaker A: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's. The money goes where the money flows, darling. [00:58:43] Speaker B: I'll feed so many people. I don't give a shit. [00:58:45] Speaker C: Like, yeah, I mean growing up and getting older is a series of compromises, but it's about, I guess deciding which what you're really truly willing to compromise on and what is maybe not as big a deal as you thought it was. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Yeah, no, like I, if I could pay the rent of 10 people, I would rather, I would rather do that than say that I like, I have integrity. I, I fore. So these sponsors, I'm like, no, no, I let 10 people have their homes. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Well, I, yeah. [00:59:23] Speaker A: Which, which also, which also, which also begs the question of rent is evil as shit. [00:59:33] Speaker B: I'm gonna be so real. Like, I have a lead on a part time job, but it's literally working for a landlord. But it's one who's like not the [00:59:41] Speaker A: like I, I and I'm like how [00:59:43] Speaker B: I hate even saying that all landlords [00:59:45] Speaker A: are the words and, and so juggling [00:59:48] Speaker C: the, the, you can change the system from the inside. [00:59:54] Speaker B: I can pay my rent. I could do that. [00:59:58] Speaker A: And I, I would rather have 10 trans women not have to worry about if they have lights. [01:00:07] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:00:08] Speaker A: Than if I cancel on Twitter for well, picketh it. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I was g. You've been on a run run today. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Let's go. [01:00:19] Speaker B: But that's neither here nor there. You know what else I was thinking though? To transition again away from this. Because like we, I, we've been walking around. We're back at the box. I haven't seen a bath house. So. One second here. I'm just to pick up this vase. Thank you very much. And I think I was supposed to pay for that. So let's get in the box, everyone. Let's go. Let's go. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Yippee. [01:00:41] Speaker B: And if we sell this when we get home, that should pay some tranny rent. That'll be great. In the meantime, hit the button. Let's hear a sound. That's not the trademarked one. You're probably thinking of again. [01:00:54] Speaker A: No, we'll just have it as the ding again. [01:00:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. We'll just hit the ding again. Yeah. And. And it's a wonderful thing. It's a great thing. And on our ride back. Sophie, thank you. Thank you so much. I. I don't know. I'm not. I. I'm just. Anytime we get to hang out and talk about, like, this kind of stuff. So happy. But thank you for being here. [01:01:18] Speaker C: It was a pleasure. [01:01:20] Speaker A: I've. I've never watched it, but thank you for hanging out. It was very, very lovely. [01:01:24] Speaker C: Great to meet you. Books. [01:01:26] Speaker B: We have learned so many things and it. We did a little bit up front, but is there anybody anything you want to tell people to go to to find you to see your things, send you money? I like telling people to send our guests money because everyone, like, comment. [01:01:39] Speaker C: Subscribe. [01:01:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:42] Speaker C: Check out my YouTube channel. That's. That's. That's my. That's my jam. That's. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Oh, name your YouTube, please. [01:01:48] Speaker B: YouTube. Name the YouTube. Name the YouTube channel. [01:01:51] Speaker C: We have always existed. [01:01:53] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you. I was gonna say doing the awesome, super great ASMR voice. Yeah. So. Hell yeah. Let's go. Bugs. Where do you want people to find you and not subpoena you for the things that you say on the Internet? [01:02:09] Speaker A: My basement. Yeah, like, fine. Like, I. I'm at Bugs Matrix on most things that you. Bugs Matrix. [01:02:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. All the things. Listen to the various shows. Find a local theater in your metropolitan area and tell them to bring. Again. Again. [01:02:32] Speaker A: Hire me for local theater. I am God's most tired theater kid. I would be so funny on stage. [01:02:40] Speaker B: I was gonna say movie theater as well, though. Find a local movie again. Again. To them or some way. We're running. [01:02:49] Speaker A: Is. Is touring. I don't exactly remember what our schedule is. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Look it up. Look it up. It's a movie. It's great. [01:03:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hi. Hello. Hi. How are you? I am an executive producer on the film again. Again. And it's really good. One of my close friends, Mia wrote and starred and directed it, and it's killer. We. [01:03:17] Speaker B: It's 100% on rotten tomatoes right now, I believe. [01:03:20] Speaker A: Yeah, no, we. [01:03:23] Speaker C: Very nice. [01:03:24] Speaker B: Literally a perfect film. Can't. [01:03:26] Speaker A: It's. It's a perfect film and everyone involved deserves every accolade that could possibly happen. I'm so happy that this happened. [01:03:36] Speaker B: Fuck it. A. I'm so. I'm. I'm running into problems getting it. People at theaters to be like. They're like, oh, it looks like it's on the theater circuit. If it gets picked up, we're not just gonna play it. I was like, you, you have no idea how much money I will bring you. Like, like, that's why I want, I want to send him a follow up email, like, counter. [01:03:55] Speaker A: Yeah, like, like, like, it's, it's, it's very. It's, it's, it's, it's. How are you disowning like a fifty thousand dollar weekend for one movie? [01:04:05] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm sitting here going like, okay, like, I see what you're saying, but, but. And like, not to toot my own horn, but like, I will bring every. In the Twin City metropolitan, your theater, I swear to God. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Say you're sis without saying you're sis. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, basically. And I was just like, okay, cool. All right, well we'll try that again in a little bit here. I'm gonna let them sit and think about what they've done during pride and look at all the money everyone else is making by being cool as. So that's either here nor there. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Sophie, plug your. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Well, already plugged. Sophie. I'm plugging my bugs. It's my turn. [01:04:44] Speaker A: Who am I? [01:04:45] Speaker B: What am I doing? My name's Ella Taylor. That's. Yeah, my, my pronouns are she and her. I gotta change it. They say she. That. That's old. I mean, I'll take it. They. I'm fine. But yes, Ella Taylor, that's me. I have shows. You know about them. Wednesday night Fake Fight where we watch. Aw, dynamite. I produce a show called the worst lecture of Our life or the Most Important Election of our Life. Not the worst. I mean, some of them are. Are, you know, better than others, but that's a fun one. So many little. And help make and edit so many little podcasts. Here comes Tomorrow is when I edit with Josie Reesman and Becca Petunia. That's awesome. Check that out. I don't know. Go to my store and buy something from Pride. Send us like everything. [01:05:30] Speaker A: Buy. Buy a shitload. It's Pride dog. [01:05:36] Speaker B: Do you not want a T shirt says fat fairy and or fat dyke on it? Like, why do you not want that? Are you not a fat diet? [01:05:44] Speaker A: Just. Just like, like hit yourself with a brick, dog. [01:05:49] Speaker B: I am currently working on a T shirt design that says throw me, I'm a brick. Okay, that will be up on the shop. All right. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:56] Speaker B: These are things that you want to have, but yes, find us on Blue sky me@garrett taylor.com Bugs where Bugs is give everyone money who needs it. And yeah, we don't have a sign off. That's the other thing we. We don't have a sign off phrase. Send the binder was the last one. Let's go. Let's go with down with the Roman empire and or Vince McMahon. Down with Vince McMahon. Yeah. Caesar. Caesar, Caesar. Him, him. There we go. Hi, it's Ella again. I up. I keep up. I forgot to shout out slgive credit to the wonderful musical artist that provides our theme song and the outro music that you're about to hear. It is called the sex theme from everything is wrestling. Because we're like that. Their name is socks. You should go to soccedm.bandcamp.com and you should give it all your money and listen to all the musics. She's the best like. Anyways, thanks for listening. Bye. [01:07:17] Speaker A: Sa.