Cosplay is Wrestling W/TappyToeClaws

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Hey, Bugs. [00:00:01] Speaker B: What do you got for me? [00:00:03] Speaker A: Oh, so, you know, I think it's really funny that we were. I totally forgot that this was what we planned to talk about today, but I have. I have a card. I have a card for you that I just want to show you. One of the gayest men in Magic the Gathering. [00:00:20] Speaker B: He's a guest lecturer already. [00:00:21] Speaker A: My husband, Mono, Black rail, Zarek, who is feeling himself. [00:00:27] Speaker B: There is. There is serving cunt, and then there is farm to table cunt. And that. I feel like that's what's happening here. [00:00:35] Speaker A: But so, you know, we're gonna be talking about a lot of different. A lot of different today and a lot of. A lot of goofy things. And I'd forgotten that I picked this card as well. So this is Ral. When he gets sent. When Ralph goes to Bloomburrow and canonically becomes an otter. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that otter serving cunt. I didn't think it was possible. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Yeah, no. He is the cuntiest little man in Magic the Gathering, and I. [00:01:03] Speaker B: He's the cutest little guy. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Like this. This man is my. I mean, like, you know, he's my husband. His husband is my husband. We love Tomic. We love Rao. [00:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So you're saying that you're. You're. [00:01:18] Speaker A: You're. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Your husband is an otter? [00:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:01:25] Speaker A: Might be kind of on that furry shit. Who's to say? [00:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like you. This conversation started about, like, cosplaying in this super cool outfit, and now it's kind of getting into furry shit. I don't. Okay, I see who the guest is. Hit the button. That is the goodest place to Eddie start. Welcome back to Everything Is Wrestling. It is I, Ella Taylor. What with the she and the her pronouns. And I am here once again to discuss various things of life and how they relate to wrestling. Because I'm a simple, simple, simple person. And I'm here with my good, good yappist partner, Bugs. Say hi, Bugs. [00:02:25] Speaker A: Hi, Bugs. [00:02:27] Speaker B: It's still good. [00:02:28] Speaker A: It's so goofy. Like, eventually I'm up with a better bit, but for now, we. We'll just keep it. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I'm good. We're. I'm gonna keep rocking that until it feels broken. And right now, as long as it hits, it hits. And we have a wonderful guest friend of the bugs and a new friend to me, and I'm very excited to hear this session of Info Dump the podcast. We have Sidney Taffytoe Claus. [00:02:58] Speaker A: Hello. [00:02:59] Speaker C: Hello. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here. I Don't know. I don't have any waiting to say. I'm just kind of stoked. I owe Bugs, like several rounds of beer and food and podcast appearances for how many times she's been on my stupid podcast. So I'm excited to be here and finally return one of the favors. [00:03:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, look, I'll come on your show any other way. [00:03:27] Speaker C: I biologically can no longer make her children because I got that taken care of. So, like, I have to return my favors to Bugs in other ways. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Fantastic. Awesome. Fantastic. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Dom, stoked to have you here. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Can no longer procreate. Club rise up. What up? [00:03:45] Speaker C: I honestly, I love that for us. I like. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. I'm a big fan, I'm not gonna lie. [00:03:51] Speaker C: Yeah, same like a huge fan, actually. [00:03:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's nice and reassuring. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it's really good to know that with all the things going on, that's one I don't have to worry about. [00:04:02] Speaker C: It is really nice. Yeah. [00:04:06] Speaker B: I have other things to think about, like cosplays and furry shit. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Speaking of first creation, I was just gonna say like. [00:04:14] Speaker C: Like now the breeding tank is strictly limited to the weird furry pregnancy porn. It's like, honestly great. It's so good. I love the furries for those very round shapes they draw. It's not for me, but I love that it's for somebody. [00:04:30] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's. It's incredible. [00:04:32] Speaker B: I like when inflate real big. [00:04:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. I. You know, like again, like, not for me, but like, I love that for whoever. It's obviously for somebo because there is so much of it. [00:04:41] Speaker B: There's so much of it. [00:04:43] Speaker C: There's so much of it. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's so amazing. All right, before we get any further down, whatever this exciting rabbit hole is [00:04:52] Speaker C: gonna be, I think there's a rabbit hole involved with at least some of it, actually. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Oh, there's certainly several. [00:04:58] Speaker B: I've seen so many. [00:05:00] Speaker C: Anyway, sorry, cosplay. That's what we're supposed to be talking about. [00:05:03] Speaker A: No, I. Look, we can. We can talk about that as foreign. That's like. [00:05:06] Speaker B: We'll get there. We'll get there. In the meantime, I'm gonna ask you again at the end, but tell people where they can find you if you want them to find you, because some people don't listen all the way to the end, so make sure you get it. [00:05:17] Speaker C: Yeah, awesome. Hell yeah. Okay. I'm Tappy Toe Claus. My pronouns are I don't know. Whatever you feel like. I, you know, I don't know. [00:05:26] Speaker A: It's their big slash shrug. [00:05:29] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Based on this avatar I'm going with. [00:05:32] Speaker C: As Bug said, it's whatever it needs to be for the bit. And I'm famously not your dad, and I play that card game that you maybe like or maybe don't like. I don't really care. Go with God. Chase your weird fetish, I guess. I play the Gathering. I do cosplay. I stream. I now have a fanfiction podcast that Bugs is, like, our secret fourth host of. I'm just generally kind of a loud, opinionated bitch on the Internet, and I've been on the Internet for forever because I'm now officially closer to 40 than I'm not, which is wild to think about. [00:06:10] Speaker A: That's sick as hell. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Sydney, how have we. How are we just meeting now? Because same. Same vlogs. How you been hiding this lady for me? [00:06:22] Speaker C: What the f. Internet's a big place still, somehow, right? [00:06:26] Speaker A: Internet is shockingly big, Like. Like, given how small it is and how there's only, like, six main characters. [00:06:32] Speaker C: I mean, there's only, like, six real people on it. And all the bots died because Zelensky killed a Russian data farm data center. So a lot of. A lot of definitely real Russian women that people were probably paying money to see fake boobs of are suddenly silent. [00:06:54] Speaker B: Wait, is this why I've been lagging every couple of seconds through my apartment as I walk? [00:07:00] Speaker C: If any. If anything, it should be. If anything, it should be better. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Okay. All right, well, yeah, well, I just love Ukraine. So, anyway, I. I've been told by many a transphobic Democrat that I'm a Russian bot, so I just assumed. [00:07:15] Speaker C: You can now say that you're probably. You're statistically so much less likely to be a Russian bot now, because a lot of them were annihilated, in fact. [00:07:24] Speaker B: Yeah. No, and, like, statistically, there's probably used to be more bots and trans people now. We're winning. [00:07:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:30] Speaker B: You know, so, like, there you go. [00:07:32] Speaker C: For you. I love it. For us, like, yeah, that's excellent. [00:07:35] Speaker B: Yeah. That's just winning. So, yeah, we. Bugs was like, we need to get Sydney on here. And now I understand why. As far as what we want to talk about, we're like, oh, we can talk about so many things. Let's do whatever, and let's start with cosplay. So why. Why. Why cosplay? Why do you love cosplay? [00:07:54] Speaker A: Tell. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Tell me about the cosplay, Sydney. Tell me about it. [00:07:57] Speaker C: I love cosplay because dressing up like a weirdo is fun. Yeah. And, like, the. The first time that I realized that cosplay was, like, a thing, I was like, dead ass in, like, fucking sixth grade. And my friends who we illegally watched pirated episodes of Inuyasha and Slayers with shitty, like, fake dubs on them from the Internet, nerd, they went to some convention again in, like, this was six, sixth grade for me, so it would have been 2000 and 2001. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:08:35] Speaker C: I think if I'm doing them, if I'm doing my math right. And, like, scams. Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Like, either way, it was. It was early 2000, and, like, it was like, they went to a convention and they saw, like, people dressed up at Anime Central in Chicago, and they were like. There were just people who were like, it was like Halloween. But they were all dressed up as, like, the shit that we like. And as, like, again, I was 12, so I thought it was, like, the fucking coolest thing ever. And I was like, yeah, I'm 36, and I also think it's the fucking coolest thing ever. It's pretty fucking awesome. [00:09:08] Speaker B: No, it's because it's the coolest thing ever. [00:09:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. It was just. It was just cool that people got to, like, dress up. So, like, we made our costumes and they were, like, really bad because we were fucking 12, and we went to this convention by ourselves and probably should not have been by ourselves in retrospect. But, like, we turned out fine. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Notably normal, well adjusted, and it's just, [00:09:34] Speaker C: like, it's been cool ever since, like, I don't know, like, if given the choice between, like, having the opportunity to dress up like a weird fucking idiot a few times a year and then waste several, like, months worth of work stressing about your costume on the other half of the year, like, why would you not do that? I love a secondary anxiety disorder and a backache for being, like, crunched over this fucking sewing machine. That's exactly the way that I want to live my stupid fucking life. And I basically have since I was, like, fucking 12. [00:10:06] Speaker B: That's fucking amazing. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Didn't realize you'd been doing it for that long. Like, I knew it was. [00:10:10] Speaker C: I mean, like, I realized, like, it was only. It only started being, like, an actual professional gig, like, after I had graduated college. [00:10:18] Speaker A: Well, right. [00:10:19] Speaker C: I probably could have made, unfortunately, a lot of money off of pictures of myself when I was 12, but they don't exist anymore, and also that would be bad. [00:10:28] Speaker B: And, like, you know, please don't get the Discord subpoenaed. [00:10:32] Speaker C: Taffy, the pictures don't exist. They were of me anyway. And also, you know, I. Yeah, we should. At the very least it would have been great. Like great bait to kill people with, but bugs. [00:10:46] Speaker B: You bring the best guests, I think. And I just think of like all because like, yeah, cosplay is so fun and I have never really gotten to do too too much of it. At least I never thought so. But then like I realized that I kind of have. Like, just earlier this week, someone shared a picture with me of a T shirt that I made on my store that says borders are fake. Fake wrestling is real. [00:11:13] Speaker C: And that's rad as hell. [00:11:18] Speaker B: And people like to wear them to indie shows and wrestling conventions. And they wore to a wrestling convention next to Mick Foley, who is like rad shirt and took a fucking picture posing next to it. I was like, oh look, my childhood hero, Mankind. Cactus Jack, who I dressed up as for Halloween one year. [00:11:36] Speaker C: There you go. [00:11:37] Speaker B: And like it wasn't. I don't think, I guess I didn't think of it as cosplay because it was Halloween. But when I think about what. So let me explain to you what this failed. All right? He doesn't have like a, a super hardcore like hard to do costume. He's. He looks like a psychopath. Just a guy, you know, like the whole thing was he's supposed to be like Cactus Jack Manson. He's like a cat like jet, like Charles Manson type. So like he has a shirt that's his own merch shirt which easy enough to, to get. And then a tattered up flannel and then like sweatpants and that's it. And like a beard, scaggy beard. And then you just got to go out there and do wrestling moves and take bumps. So I was like, I can do that. And this was like high school. And my, I had a buddy who like as soon as it became even somewhere near autumn, he would start coming to school dressed as Michael. My wears like the full jumpsuit and like, I'm God, I hope he ended up normal. Andrew, if you're out there, don't call me. But we, we basically, we volunteered to hand out candy that year. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Sure. [00:13:01] Speaker B: So he, he would hide in the bushes around the house in his Michael Myers gig. And I was cosplayed as Cactus Jack. And I had like sitting on like a, a fold up steel chair and little kids would come up for candy and he would come out to attack them and I would save them with the steel chair. Hell yeah. [00:13:26] Speaker C: High rung with the steel chair. See, I know a little bit about wrestling. [00:13:29] Speaker B: Hell yeah. So, like, that totally counts as cosplay. We count that, right? I did cosplay. [00:13:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:13:35] Speaker C: So, like, cosplay happened. It's basically just like. It's a portmanteau of costume and play. Like, that's kind of the idea. And that was like, the original Japanese context of it. Right. And it's kind of evolved now that, like, less people kind of, like, do the whole character bit now it's a lot more just like, now you're just making the costume and doing it, and then people kind of leave. Especially, like, post Covid, and there's like, a whole, like, pre Covid, post Covid cosplay convention divide that we could talk to. I'm sure there's a very similar. Similar one in wrestling, unfortunately. It's probably just. It's weird. It's like this global pandemic impacted a lot of things in a lot of wild fucking ways. But not a lot of people do, like, a whole ton of, like, that character work at, like, cons and stuff. But, like, people will do them. Like, they'll do their little, like, TikTok dances, and they're like, TikTok voice audios and their cosplay. [00:14:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like there was a big eruption for cosplay, like, during lockdown, even though conventions weren't happening. But, like, that was. [00:14:36] Speaker C: Well, it was like. It was because, like, TikTok had kind of just started to become a thing in the States, like, before lockdown, and then suddenly everybody's locked down, and it was like, oh, put your costume on and, like, film your little dance in front of your. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Do your silly little dances. [00:14:50] Speaker C: Like, yeah, like, I don't know. I'm. I'm very. Like, in. In some ways, I am very pretentious about cosplay, just because I have a lot of thoughts on what it entails to, like, be a professional cosplayer, but in terms of, like, calling yourself a cosplayer and saying what you do is cosplay without asking anybody to, like, tell you, like, you're the best at it or give you money for it. Like, absolutely. Like, whatever you want to do is cosplay. Like, any. Anything can be cosplay. You can. You can put on, like, literally anything, and it can be cosplay. Like, when. When I was at. When I was in London, when the whole, like, Hatsune Miku World cup thing was happening, we. We just, like, suddenly, Hatsune Miku Was British. And, like, I found myself in the middle of London with a Hatsune Miku wig. And my friend Georgie's like, I think you need to put the wig on and we need to go to the pub and you need to take a picture as, like, Chav Miku at the pub that I go to every week. So, like, we did. And, like. And, like, all was, like, my regular ass fucking clothes and, like, some stuff out of Georgie's closet to make it look more British. And then we went to the pub and I, like, stole the English flags and, you know, took the bartender quite well for, like. And like. And like, that. That's cosplay. Because, like, I was in the Miku wig and it was. But, like, the only thing about it that was cosplay heavy air quotes was, like, the Miku wig. Everything else was just clothes, but it was, like, put on with an intention to be a extant thing. I think that's the thing about cosplay, right? Is like, yeah, that's kind of the thing that separates cosplay from, like, LARP or, like, Renaissance fair garb or any kind of that is like, cosplay. Like, you are trying to look like a character, even if you're trying to look like a version of a character. Like, I was obviously, like, trying to be East London Hatsune Miku in a publisher, like, but I'm still Hachune Miku. I'm not just, like, myself doing that. Whereas, like, when you go to the Renaissance fair, you're, like, just kind of. And some people definitely cosplayed the Renaissance Fair. Don't get me wrong now, but, like, right, like, definitely. But when you're just, like, wearing your garb to be, like, your own character or, like, to fit, like, the theme of a party. Like, if you're doing like, a 1920s party or like a murder mystery party or anything like that. Like, I wouldn't call that cosplay necessarily, just because, like, you're not trying to be a character. Like, I think. I think that trying to be a version of a character at whatever level or prestige or skill level, you have, like, any. All of that is cosplay. [00:17:31] Speaker A: So I like that intentionality. [00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah. So I have my first examples of your example right here. So first here we have what I would say is not cosplay, but is more along the lines of, like, the other side of it, you said, where, like, this is, like an oc. But I feel like the creation, like, the practicality of what it takes for. For this guy to make these Masks and perform in them technically use all the same skills, but it's not cosplay. But this is in the chat here. This is a luchador named the Beast. Mortals. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Hell. [00:18:09] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [00:18:10] Speaker B: He wrestles in that. [00:18:13] Speaker C: That's insane. That is crazy. [00:18:15] Speaker A: So cool. [00:18:17] Speaker B: So, yeah, and that's not even. That's not even the most complicated one. Like, he has ones that look like I've seen. Like, he has ones that like. Like he'll come out and you'll have, like, dry ice in it, and it's like spitting out smoke and it's. It's nuts. And he wrestles in it. So, like, that's cool. And it. [00:18:35] Speaker A: The. [00:18:35] Speaker B: The kind of skills and engineering that it takes to do that is similar to the stuff I've seen people do with cosplay, but it's not cosplay. Then you want cosplay. The person I think of immediately, right away is Rey Mysterio Jr. Especially later in his career, he's another luchador where the first instance of this. This is maybe his most famous match. It is one of my. I honestly, I would put this in my top five greatest wrestling matches. If you. If you don't know any about wrestling, go watch this and you will know so much about wrestling. It's. It's one of. It's one of, like, the most important things that ever happened. But he came out dressed as. Because it. It was in theaters that year, the Phantom as. As played by legendary actor Billy Zane. So here you have Eddie Guerrero and then you have Rey Mysterio as the Phantom. And like, what the. Like, that's cosplay. And that's like the first time he did that. I think that's one of the first times a wrestler did that. Now they. He, for one, has done this so many times that it's. It became like his gimmick was okay at this pay per view. What. What comic book hero is he gonna be? He did the Joker. He did Wolverine. He did Captain Me. He's done like he. Like he did. He. He goes over the top with it, and it became like the running thing. But the other thing you have nowadays in modern wrestling is you have people. This came a lot out of Japan, too, is that you have people who attach themselves, especially at first unofficially, to an already existing property and use that to kind of give a rub to their gimmick. And more often than not, it ends up being a thing. The first thing I think of is Tiger Mask. Tiger Mask was first and foremost a manga. And then they. They said all Right. We're going to put it on a wrestler. And now there's been what, four or five tiger masks. Some of the best wrestlers. [00:20:49] Speaker A: Thick as hell. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah. No, like it's some of the best wrestlers in Japanese wrestling. Like if you are one of the best wrestlers, you get to be Tiger Mask. So like that's. Yeah, like, like so all the tiger masks have just been unfucking real. So like. Yeah, that's a thing that happened. And nowadays you have like, he's a piece of shit. Never cheer for him. Even though he is one of the best wrestlers to ever do it. Will Ospreay. Yeah, that guy. We believe women in this house. [00:21:25] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, I was gonna be like that guy. I don't know what he did, but [00:21:28] Speaker B: yeah, no, that guy, that guy, he, he, he stood up for his bro. Bro and the brother's code and his brother did something that would be considered statutory in this country. Yeah. So that guy. To hell and back. So that being said, he went over to Japan and they're like, you need something. You do like high flying stuff. What's big right now with that sort of thing? Oh, like the Parkour in Assassin's Creed. So they call him the aerial Assassin and he starts dressing like an assassin in Assassin's Creed. Now he's one of the biggest wrestlers in the world. He's the current world champion. And they have done several things with the company where the literally the guy who did the voice of SEO came back and did a monologue for one of his openings. [00:22:19] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:22:21] Speaker A: That is unfortunately very cool. [00:22:23] Speaker B: That is unfortunately sick as. And he came out with these like parkour, like his gang of assassins and all the hoods and his. One of his finishing moves is the hidden blade where he just comes out and he hits your ass with his elbow and it looks like he's killing you with the blade. In the game, it's all piece of all sick as his literal whole. His whole gimmick is cosplay. So when you say like his cosplay grabs, I'm like, this was an easy one. Wait, was this work? I'm like, is this. [00:22:51] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What else do you want to talk about? You know like that's like that's an easy one. That's low hanging fruit. [00:22:59] Speaker C: I think there's kind of an interesting thing to talk about about it. And like not that I want to be like the, you know, I want a yes and. But I think what I want to say actually in this case is yes, but. So there is kind of an interesting divide in the cosplay community. And again, I kind of talked about it a little bit in terms of, like, the cosplay before the pandemic and cosplay after the pandemic. And to be clear, I also want to say that, like, this, this divide also existed prior to it. It just became more obvious after the pandemic. So, like, there was always kind of this divide between, like, people who want the costume to look good, like, photograph good and, like, be as accurate as possible, and people who want it to be like, a wearable piece of garment fashion, right? Like, something especially, especially with a little violent stuff. Because, like, a lot of the early cosplay stuff was very limited to anime. Like, a lot of that. Like, those are very different things. And I have worn costumes that are both. Like, I have worn costumes that, like, this thing. I, I, I rushed it out. I did not do, like, proper garment construction on it. I just wanted it to look good. And like, the costume was, like, it was uncomfortable to wear the shoes barely. Like, I could barely walk in them. Like, I wore it for, like, 45 minutes for pictures and then I never wore it again kind of thing. Like, it, like, and this isn't. This is before we even get into the, like, conversation about, like, buying a costume, right? But, like, there is a very different skill to, like, making something look good versus making something that is, like, an actual wearable good piece of garment tree. Like, that, like, is like a, a useful thing. And this goes, like, doubly so a lot with, like, big armor builds and stuff. We're like, yeah, that thing can look really cool, but, like, can you walk in it? [00:24:50] Speaker A: Like, yeah, like, like. [00:24:52] Speaker C: Or not? Like, could, Can. Can you, can you go to a convention and, like, wear that in the floor? Like, can you see at all? Like, or are you just, like, basically wearing a giant prop that you're, like, walking around underneath? Like, there. There gets to be that little bit. So, like, there is a certain aspect of when you get further out of, like, cosplay necessarily, and you get into things like ren faire and LARP garb and definitely, like, wrestling and stuff that I, like, really respect is like, like, when you have to make a costume and then you have to make a costume that you can do shit in. Like, not only is it comfortable for you to wear for several hours, but you have to, like, do athletics in it. Like, and it's. And again, for, like, even for the Renaissance fair and stuff, like, you're walking around and every ren faire is in the Fucking summer for some reason in America, where it's like 85 fucking degrees. So it's like, you have to be in that and you need pockets and you need, like, useful parts. And it needs to be comfortable. Like, it needs. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Yeah, like, it needs to breathe. [00:25:53] Speaker C: Only not only that. So it needs to do all those things also, unless you want to, like, waste a lot of your time, you need to be able to wear it multiple times, too. You need to be able to put it on, you need to be able to take it off, you need to launder it because it's gonna get stanky. So, like, these are all things Leon [00:26:09] Speaker B: White, Big Van Vader. Wash your fucking mask. He's dead now, but he's known as the stinkiest fucking man in the entire wrestling. [00:26:16] Speaker C: So, like, that's all really interesting stuff about cosplay that, like, especially in terms of, like, the. I'm a TikTok cosplayer, or I'm a cosplayer that only does studio shoots and stuff that doesn't necessarily come into play as much with that stuff because, like, again, like, I. I am just as much of a fucking doer of the, like, oh, I only have to wear this for six seconds, and I'm gonna take some pictures and make a decent chunk of money on, like, my fucking, like, Patreon. Great. Cool. It doesn't matter that it looks good. Like, I just need to be in it for a little while. Whereas I have also. I have also made costumes, like, commissioned by Wizards of the coast, and I have made them such that I can be in it on the floor, like, squatting down and, like, hugging tiny children in it for, like, eight and a half hours. So, like, those are very different skills. And, like, so it's definitely. And like, again, like, nothing I've had to do in a costume rivals, like, what wrestlers have to do, obviously, but it. It is definitely like, that is an entire another aspect of cosplay that, like, a lot of people don't think about when they make stuff or isn't always, like, the first thing that people think of. [00:27:25] Speaker B: And I think that something that people don't think of when they. Then when they think about pro wrestlers, especially. Especially the indie ones, but even a lot of the bigger ones, a lot of the bigger names and the bigger companies. I think of Bianca Belair, who should have more money than God because she's one of the most talented women in the history of the sport. The Fed makes her, and her husband who works at the companies makes her their gear. [00:27:54] Speaker C: Yeah, they make their Own. [00:27:55] Speaker B: They make their own shit. Like a cosplay. Like, they make their own shit because an indie people make their own. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll like, because you just don't have the money. You need to know how it's going to function. Like, yeah, yeah. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Because if you were to pay somebody the right amount of money to do what you need to do, to speak to what Sid saying about the functionality, you don't got that money when you're barely making, like, maybe 80 bucks a night for getting your shit rocked. Yeah, no, you got to do that yourself. [00:28:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I've, I've commissioned a few of my costumes and I've definitely had help on them. And again, in a lot of cases, it's not necessarily, like, do I have the skills to do this? Although in some cases, like, I have purposely hired people who are better than me. Like, I, I, I always tell people with cosplay, like, I am, like, 75% to, like, 90% good at, like, every cosplay skill. But, like, I am, I am by. I am definitely not like, the best at any given thing. I'm, like, mostly adequate at everything that I need to do to make a costume. But I also, like, don't necessarily have all of the equipment now. Like, like, there are sewing machines that you need if you want to sew certain types of, like, vinyl or certain types of. [00:29:19] Speaker A: Oh, God, yeah. [00:29:19] Speaker C: You just, like, need a better sewing machine than, like, I have. Right? Or, like, there are definitely some things now where it's like 3D printers, and some of it is just like, Some of it's just like, no, you're just a better seamstress than me, and also you have the time and, And I don't. Right. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:36] Speaker C: Again, like, speaking of, speaking of COVID one of my friends who is, like, one of the best cosplayers that I know, she's won the, like, C2E2 crown championship of cosplay a few times. Incredibly skilled. And she got laid off during. I should be saying they. I actually don't. I just assume that, like, at some point, every, like, queer nerd that I know, if I haven't talked to them in, like, the past two years, I should probably just default to they. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Like, yeah, no, it's a safe call. To me, it's a safe call. [00:30:06] Speaker C: It's like, I just feel like it's better. But yeah, so, like, they got laid off from their job during COVID Like, just at the start of COVID they just signed a new lease on an apartment and they were like, So I don't know how I'm gonna pay this. So, like, I'm gonna take some commissions. And I'm like, well, I'm still working during COVID and also Channel Fireball keeps giving me all this money to like, like, commentate with Pro Magic players, which was a hilarious time in my cv. [00:30:32] Speaker A: So funny. [00:30:34] Speaker C: And. And so I was like, well, I actually, like, as much as, like, I. I kind of have time to do this costume. But, like, you also need fifteen hundred dollars more than I needed because I can make another fifteen hundred. So why don't you have this and please make my Chandra costume? And they did. And it's incredible. Like, could I have made it? Yes. Would it have looked that good? No, it would have looked like 85% that good. But the way that they made it was just like, everything they did was so good. It's like, it. It just is like, it's such a well thought out costume in terms of like, I've had this costume for now six years because I. I commissioned it during COVID and like, it. The thing is held up incredible. I've needed to fix like two things on it. It's incredible. [00:31:19] Speaker A: Vain durability. [00:31:20] Speaker C: Yeah. And again, like, any costume that, like, I did, I did like a year stint as Chandra at every WOTC event for like a year and a half in this, doing like eight and a half hour days, like, in this costume. And like, it. It's incredible. Like, it's awesome. Like, again, like, and then later when they commissioned me, when Watsi commissioned me to make a new Chandra costume, even that one, because they gave me like, I had like two months to make it. I was like, I work a 9 to 5 regular job. There's no fucking way that I have time to make all of this. So I actually commissioned two of my friends to make like the, the actual like, suit because it's like Chandra and like her racing suit from like the Wacky Racer set. So I was gonna say, I think [00:32:03] Speaker A: I know which one that is. Yeah. [00:32:05] Speaker C: Yeah. And that was another one where like, I also like, I was like, damn, I'm gonna have to like borrow somebody sewing machine to be able to sew all this vinyl. Because it's like a vinyl, like it's a jumpsuit. Formula one racing suit. Yeah. So I was like, I don't. I don't have a sewing machine that can do that right now. Could I sew that? Yes. Could I sew that and then also make a set of armor to go over it and make a new wig? And make all these new gears and, like, pipes and stuff. No. And work my regular job and not want to kill myself by the end of it. Absolutely the fuck not. So I commissioned my friends who are furries, which means that they can handle basically any kind of material possible that they could make. And I was like, listen, I will literally get your hotel room in downtown Chicago for this event and pay for it if you make me this suit that I can. So. And I made all the armor that then went on top of it. And so, like, and we were able to collaborate on, like, how things went together and stuff, but, like. And again, like, so the equivalent of like, the Chicago. Like, I probably paid them like a thousand dollars, like 800.800-1000 for. For the Chandra suit. And so, again, like, that's the kind of money that, like, I would. And even that, like, I think even that, like, I got the friend discount on that one. Like. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Yeah, no, but still, like, but yeah, [00:33:20] Speaker C: so, like, I. I am. I'm not above cost. I'm not above commissioning things. And like, I. It's. It's because at a certain point, you're also just. [00:33:27] Speaker A: Just supporting cool artists too. [00:33:29] Speaker C: Yes. I would rather give Matt and Jin money than, like, have to again want to die while I made that. [00:33:35] Speaker A: These are the folks that do the. The Ajani cosplay, right? Yeah, that looks so good. [00:33:41] Speaker C: Yeah, the, like, 8 foot tall Ajani on stilts. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. For listeners at home who don't know what that is, it's a giant Catman. [00:33:49] Speaker C: And they. They. They've like, lovingly sculpted, like, pecs on him and, like, abs. [00:33:55] Speaker A: It looks like. It looks so good, [00:33:59] Speaker B: man. [00:33:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. It is a very gender affirmed cat dad. [00:34:05] Speaker B: Okay, I need that. I need that as a pro wrestler, like, stat, though. Write that one down for that project that we're working on. [00:34:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Hell yeah. All this so hard, like, and all this is so grabs and like I was gonna say. And then you bring up furries. I'm like, that's a whole another level of like, holy. We were talking about Passenger Princess before we got on Mike. She's literally got a song called for 4K carpet. And like, it's about, like, he spent 4K on a carpet just to be a dog in your apartment. And like, but, God, I wish I could afford that. And it's like, yeah, that kind of thing. [00:34:59] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. As. As we. We talked about it a little bit at. Before we started recording. But, like, I like to call myself, like, a timeshare furry. Like, I Don't. I don't want to call myself necessarily like a Furry because I feel like that's like stolen valor actually. Like because the furries are stronger than the marines and eat less crayons. But I, I love the furries. They're incredible people. If I ever get the opportunity to go to a furry con, I'm always happy to try to go because they are such fun cons and I just like cosplay regular shit. And like the furries are very like no. Nobody's ever come up to me and be like, oh, you don't have like a real fur suit. You're not a real furry. They're like, oh, you're a cosplayer and you look awesome as rouge the bat or like whatever the. I decided to be that day. And it's great and it's, it's super fun. The furries are great again, just incredibly like skilled craftspeople, again, kind of in that, on that scale of like craftsmanship, like we were talking about like furry like fur. Fur suit makers because like there is a difference like not in, in that like a lot of cosplayers probably make at least some part of their stuff. A lot of furries like have like, like fursuit makers who are their like white whale of like the minute that this maker opens up commissions, I'm commissioning a six thousand dollar fursuit or whatever from this person because like again, like fursuits are like it, it's a, it's [00:36:21] Speaker A: a massive to make. [00:36:23] Speaker C: Like, if it takes, if it takes like a lot of time for two skilled people to make a, a Chandra like racing motorcycle suit. For me, it takes them like five times that amount of time to make a fursuit. And it's an incredible amount of work that goes into those things. [00:36:43] Speaker B: And again, just some of those things, they're not even like, they're not even costumes. Like, that's a mech. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Yes. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Like that is a trans woman in a mech. [00:36:53] Speaker C: Yeah. The points of articulation, the way that you have like all of this engineering that goes into the head so that you can like open your mouth and so that like sometimes the eyes move and sometimes there's a of lot electronics in them. It is, it is really like these have. [00:37:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:10] Speaker B: Back like. [00:37:11] Speaker C: Yeah, they've got, they've got the, the cooling vests and stuff under there too so that they don't like pass out. It's. It's so cool. Like it's the, the furries really are just the best of us in my opinion. [00:37:23] Speaker A: Genuinely yes, genuinely. [00:37:25] Speaker B: Yes, I, I absolutely agree and I still don't know if I am counted among those folks. But you know, rough. [00:37:35] Speaker C: For what it's worth, like, as much as I joke about like the stolen valor of like claiming myself as a, no one has ever like called me a fake furry girl. Like, the furries are very accepting. They're very happy to have people there. I've literally never met a furry who like didn't understand like community building and consent on a level that the average person could never like comprehend or much less adequately articulate. Right. Like, I don't know. The furries. The furries fucking rule. They catch so much. And honestly, like, I think, I think very unfairly. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's. Eventually we'll have to do an Internet wide reckoning of how awful we were to the furs. I mean, still are, but like, especially [00:38:20] Speaker C: like, like the furries F cking Project 2025. Like, and people still voted the wrong way. But like, like it. The furries are out there doing the work all the time and they're very harmless. Like again, joking, like, yes, the furries have like, and, and for every furry with like a very extreme fetish, there's a ton of furries who are just like, yeah, I get it. You like Twilight Sparkle from Milo Pony or whatever. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Like, yeah, 99 of them just be guys. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Yeah, 99 of them just be guys or trans ladies or people or whatever. And they just like what they like or whatever. And then, yeah, like 25 of them are, are probably like really into like, if they're into something, they're really into it. And yeah, maybe it's like a little weird or whatever, but they're keeping it in their corner. And if you're not into it, they don't fucking want you to be into it anyway, so get the fuck out. [00:39:05] Speaker A: Like, and they pay handsomely for it. [00:39:07] Speaker C: It's just like, I don't, I don't know. Like I, I, I don't know. Like I grew up on the part of the Internet where like we found all kinds of weird fucked up shit and like, if we didn't like it, we just like didn't fucking look at it. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Just keep scrolling. [00:39:20] Speaker C: We literally just kept scrolling. [00:39:21] Speaker B: Just don't go back to that. [00:39:22] Speaker C: And people seem to have like lost that capacity in a really horrible way recently. [00:39:27] Speaker A: I. Everyone thinks they need to have an opinion on everything. [00:39:30] Speaker C: Everyone needs a take on like you don't even like, or that's never going to affect you. Like, why did you go on to furry affinity and look up like, I don't know, like, hyper massive size kink dicks or something. If you don't like that, like, why. Yeah, like, why were you at the Devil's Sacrament it. If you didn't want to see the devil? Okay. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Like, dead dove, do not open. [00:39:51] Speaker C: Like, literally. Let's. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Like, first of all, I'm gonna need links to all these things you just said. Second of all, this is so off the rails. And, like, I don't even want to find the rails. Like, I'm like, no, the. The rails. [00:40:08] Speaker C: Like, we're off roading now, baby. [00:40:09] Speaker B: We're off road now we're mudding. This is like. No, this is what I always wanted this show to be. No, I love it. I'm currently blessed enough to live. I live, like, three blocks from a convention center. And, like, for a while there, I was working downtown and I would just. When was going off, was going off. So I would just scoot through throngs of cosplayers, and then just two weeks later, throngs of furries and I just. God damn it. Greatest city in the world, baby. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Greatest city. [00:40:47] Speaker B: World. Greatest city. Only city. Minneapolis. Yeah. Just furries everywhere and like, just. I don't know. It's the. It's the whimsy of it all. This is another way in which it's. It's wrestling it. I feel like it's. And it's. The both of these things are shamed by people, and they're shamed by the same type of people. They're shamed by the type of people who are too scared to be vulnerable with themselves and be vulnerable with community around them and let themselves just let go and be whimsical and just like. Like, just have a good time. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I just. [00:41:30] Speaker A: It really is. [00:41:31] Speaker C: Again, I just could never imagine, like, being so, I don't know, committed to, like, never being laughed at, that you never let yourself have any fucking fun. Like, it's. It must just be, like, such a horrible way to live. Like, I don't know. You're also kind of a huge fucking flaming dick about it, so I don't feel that bad. But, like, I actually do kind of pity you. [00:41:52] Speaker A: Like, the freedom in being cringe is so lovely. [00:41:56] Speaker C: Yes. Embrace cringe. [00:41:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:41:58] Speaker C: Like, whatever. [00:41:59] Speaker B: Exactly. God, so many of these people are never going to experience the joys of a prostate orgasm, let alone being in. Let alone being in the crowd when the underdog wins the title and you're too busy at home going, you know it's fake, right? And I'm like, I don't care. I'm crying with my best friend, you know? [00:42:19] Speaker C: You know what else is fake? Most things we enjoy. You know, every orgasm your wife has ever had. [00:42:27] Speaker A: All right. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Okay. You are coming back anytime. God damn it. Oh my God. [00:42:35] Speaker C: It really is like I just, I just like, don't. Like again, like, it's like, it's like I do as as much as like, I don't really care because, like, I can't find it in me to care. But recently it's become kind of like a bit of like Internet verbiage to be like, oh, somebody's faking that. Like they're just cosplaying that. Or like they're just larping it. And I'm like. [00:42:54] Speaker A: And it's like, words have meanings. [00:42:55] Speaker C: It's an odd choice of word because like, larpers and cosplayers like, tend to care a lot and like a lot of effort goes into a lot of that shit. Like. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Oh, you mean that person threw their entire pussy into what that thing that they said on the Internet? Cool. [00:43:12] Speaker C: Exactly. So it's so. I don't know, like, whatever. I'm not like, it's. It's. It's something that like I don't even have the fucking energy or like actual wherewithal to care about in a world where there are other things to actually care about and like, go out in the world and like try to fix and fight at. But like, it is funny, right? Like it's. It's funny and I think part of it in the way that like, because it. People. People have started using kind of like larpers interchangeably now. But I do think part of the reason that people are like, oh, you're just cosplaying that is like, because let's be honest, it is on some level just misogyny. Because like a lot of cosplayers, especially like the ones that are on the Internet are women or femmes and like, yeah, of course. So it's like, oh, you're not the real version of it. You're just like the, the dress up girl version of it, which is like, okay, fucking miss me, whatever. Like this is fine. Like you can't even come up with something original. It's just misogyny repackaged something else great, you're just cosplaying misogyny. Fuck you. Like, always has been. [00:44:08] Speaker A: Always has been. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah, so it's just one of those things. And again, like. And cosplayers are having more fun. Fun than you so, like, fucking get over yourselves. Like, and again, listen, like, there are, there are plenty of cosplayers that, like, I don't particularly like. There was a whole period in like 2011 to like 2015 where you couldn't go to a fucking con without getting gray fucking paint on your costume because the Homestucks were fucking everywhere and it was a disease and I still fucking hate them. And I still think Homestuck was in fact bad. And then they all went to Steven Universe and then that was kind of just as bad because I still have opinions about some of the tender queers and stuff. But again, like, I still will defend their, their ability to do that. I just wish they had done it further away from me. [00:44:55] Speaker B: Okay, look, I, I may or may not have worked a public kink event as grown up Kinky Steven Universe before my egg cracked. And I will not apologize. Okay, that's impressive. [00:45:10] Speaker C: Nor do I think you should. Like, had I seen you at that event, I probably would have like, rolled my eyes and ignored it. Right? Like, what you should do if another queer person at a dumb queer event, like, annoys you a little bit. Right? Like, yeah, and that's exactly. And that's the thing is, like, if, if you don't want to interact with Steven Universe, like, whatever, it's fine. Like, again, like, and now that I've, like, now that it's kind of calmed down a little bit and like, I can go and be like, yeah, like, this show is like, like, fine. Like, I have no issue with the show. The fandom was a little annoying because it was like a bunch of like 22 year olds who were on Tumblr and guess what? 22 year olds on Tumblr still annoy me now. They just don't annoy me about Steven Universe. They annoy me about new. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't the show. [00:45:55] Speaker A: There will always be. [00:45:57] Speaker C: Yeah, it turns out it wasn't the show at all. It was just 22 year olds. Even when I was 22, they annoyed the show the out of me. And to be fair, I'm sure at 22, I also annoyed the out of other people. Like, right, Like, I'd be surprised if I didn't. [00:46:12] Speaker B: No, exactly. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Oh my God, no. It's an eternal September for 22 years old. [00:46:19] Speaker C: It is internal September. And like, again, like every, like the thing is, is like, I really, I, I, I want to save space in my life for the people who are just cringe like when you're not, when you're, when you're Just cringe, but your heart is in the right place. I have like. Like, you're annoying, but you're like, but I will still protect you. Right? Like, it's bugs. And I had an episode of my fucking podcast where I quoted. There's an incredible article that people. It was a woman who was talking about polyamory and, like, the culture of polyamory. The opening. The opening quote. And I'm like, maybe paraphrasing, but I'm gonna try to get it right as I can. It's like, I am once again in the position of defending someone I know is annoying or somebody I think is annoying from people who I know are dangerous. And that's like, so much of geek culture and queer culture. Right. Is like, yes, you're fucking annoying. We're never gonna be friends. I would love for you to never be in my space. But, like, these people want to exterminate and kill us. Right? [00:47:18] Speaker B: Like, oh, man. All right, so I hate to do it again, but I did an episode of this show called Hates Speech where you come on, talk about something you hate. I talked about how I. [00:47:28] Speaker A: It's. [00:47:28] Speaker B: It's so great. I talked about how I hate the concept of cringe. Right? [00:47:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:32] Speaker B: And the way you. The way I wish I had the words that you just gave me. [00:47:36] Speaker C: And again, like, that was. It's one of the things because, like. Because, like, again, like, I don't even, like, necessarily have, like, that many feelings about polyamory and something, but, like, the way that she phrased that, it's just. It's so correct because so many people. I feel like, like, I'm like, oh, my God, you are so annoying. However, there are people who are actually dangerous, and that matters so much more. Like, we need to be talking about the dangerous people. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Yeah, well, because it's like, I will defend your right to be annoying. Like, I. [00:48:04] Speaker C: Correct. Yes. And I kind of will defend your right to be annoying. Yep. [00:48:08] Speaker B: That's why I bring up hate speeches, because that's where we landed. Is that, like, actually thinking that things are cringe at the heart of it is fascist. And maybe we should, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, yeah, it's like, I'm going to let. I, like, yeah, you annoy me, but these people are dangerous. That's why it hit me so hard. I was like, wow, that I wish I would have had those words. [00:48:28] Speaker C: Yeah, they're very good words. And I can. I can get bugs the. The link to the actual, like, article if you guys want to like the show notes or whatever. Because it's a really good read. It's not a particularly long one. It is from like, the Yale Review or something and, you know, Ivy League derogatory it. But no, it's a, it's a. It's a great article. And I, like, I really feel like that's just so many people just need to realize that, like, you don't, like, you can be in community with people you don't want to be in a room with. Yeah, you. You don't have to. You don't have to sit down across a table and share a meal with every person that, like, you should be kind of fighting to protect. Right. Like, it's, it's okay to be like, listen, I will fight for your rights and I will fight to make sure that you don't get like, like hate crimed in the street. But, like, you're never getting an invite to my cookout or whatever, you know, like, it's. It's like, I don't need you to have a key to my house or my phone number, but, like, I also don't want you to get run down in the street by a Nazi. I'd much rather be punching the Nazi than punching down at you. And it's just, it's very. It's very that, like, anyway, cosplay, it's fun. [00:49:38] Speaker B: Well, I mean, it makes me think of, you know, that's a solid point. And there are absolutely wrestling fans. There are wrestling pundits. There are people who are technically like, colleagues in this space of mine, which I think is interesting. Again, every time someone's like, oh, you do like wrestling media. I'm like, I talk about gay on a microphone with a bunch of my queer friends. [00:50:03] Speaker C: It's like firing the gun off to keep the rents down. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And also, there's. There's some. There's some graps there, you know, and. And so, like, like that sort of thing. But it's absolutely true because, like, oh, my God, they're like, they're. [00:50:18] Speaker A: They're. [00:50:20] Speaker B: It's so cringe. Wrestling is so cringe. It's supposed to be cringe. It's. [00:50:24] Speaker C: And that's the great thing about it, too. Like, again, like, and, and it's. The cosplay is the same way. Like, we are all nerds dressing up. And like, as somebody who has, like, I. I have made. I have made. Like, there was. I think. I think there was a year where I pulled in like, 48,000 dol doing cosplay. Like, I Also had my regular job on the side, but like, the total of my, like, side job was like, like a, A lower middle class, like a. Like comfortably in a comfortable income for one person. I don't think I've ever made that [00:50:58] Speaker B: much in a year. [00:51:01] Speaker C: And I still think it's cringe as fuck. Right? Like cosplay like this. Listen, like, there was a reason that I was able to buy a house myself as an unmarried millennial. It's because I was working two jobs for a while. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Like a. Right. And it's a job. But yeah, yeah. [00:51:15] Speaker C: And like, but again, like, but it's. It's also still cringe. And that's good. Like, I don't think I would want to do it if it wasn't like, on some level. Yeah, I'm dressing up and being silly with my friends. [00:51:26] Speaker B: Like, yeah, it's intrinsically silly. Yeah, it's intrinsically silly. And to get back to that point, there's people in this space that, like, I find cringe that I don't necessarily want to invite to my cookout, as you would say. But, like, there's people who want to go after those people really hard. And I don't understand that either. We're all just here for. We're here to watch big meaty men slap meat. [00:51:56] Speaker C: Yeah. How is it. How is that not, like, very gay and super cringe and listen, like, I, I have. I have group chat conversations that I'm sure if they got leaked, I would be super fucking canceled. But, like, that's why they're in the group chat. Like, sometimes somebody just annoys you and you put it in the group chat because you're like, I need to say a fucking thing. This person does not need to hear my criticism because they didn't ask for it. [00:52:17] Speaker A: Yeah, the quote, the quote dunk could have been a group chat. [00:52:20] Speaker C: But, like, I have a feeling. So, like, I tell. So, like, I, I send bugs a text message that, like, we have enough dirt on each other that we could cancel each other fucking 16 times over. Over, like, dumb, petty squabbles. And, and that's like. And that's where I'm sure people have dumb, petty squabble in their group chats about me. Honestly, I'd be mad if they didn't. Like, I'd be mad if I didn't piss somebody off enough that it was. That it wasn't in there. Right. [00:52:43] Speaker B: Holy group chats. Is graps coming soon to a podcast feed near you? It totally is. This has been an absolute blast. [00:52:54] Speaker C: It Has. It really has. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Thank you so much for coming on and talking about cosplay with us, Sydney. Like, it's been so great to meet you and we should absolutely do this again because we could do more. I think we still need to do, like, a deep dive on furries. And. [00:53:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I can. I can get. I can even get some real furries in here for the. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Please. [00:53:14] Speaker B: I'm gonna. We. We should stay in contact. [00:53:17] Speaker A: We'll get some professional. [00:53:18] Speaker B: We. Yeah, we should stay in contact and we'll get some pros in here. Okay. [00:53:21] Speaker C: Hell yeah. [00:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. In the meantime, this is your second opportunity to tell people who you are, what you do, where they should find you, where they should give you money, things of that nature. [00:53:30] Speaker C: Yeah, excellent. I am tappy toe claws on basically everything because I maxed out the SEO by entirely by accident. So I'm tappy toe claws on Twitter Blue, even though I don't mostly go on Twitter anymore. Twitter Blue Sky, Instagram, all TikTok, all the places, Twitch, YouTube now. I. Because I just decided. I figured. So I can do that now. But yeah, I have a Patreon if you want to see, like, my cosplay builds or ask me, like, in depth cosplay questions or see, like, you know, some of the, like, stuff that we don't post on the public socials and stuff like that. So I do. We do stickers and commissions and stuff there. And then I also have a podcast, it's called Open Tabs, and I do it with Princess Weeks and Amy the Amazonian and very more than not occasionally, Bugs. But we talk about, like, fandom, fan fiction, kind of like fan culture on the Internet from like a queer, femme, angry, leftist perspective. [00:54:32] Speaker B: It's. It's a. It's a fine podcast. [00:54:34] Speaker A: It's a fantastic podcast. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a huge. I'm a big recent fan. Like. [00:54:41] Speaker C: Oh, thank you. I'm so glad. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Yeah, no super good stuff. Thank you again. Bugs. Where can people find you if you wish to be found? [00:54:49] Speaker A: Oh, they can finally hide under a rock usually. Yeah, fine. [00:54:56] Speaker B: Rock, ma'. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Am. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Awesome. And you can find [email protected] both the website and the Blue sky handle website should have links to various things. Like the merch store where I make various shit posts into buyable, wearable posts, sometimes with donations and money to a good cause. Do you hate your mayor? Do I have a collection of shirts for you? Specific mares even, or just general ones? Let's see what else. Listen to me talk about. Aw, dynamite. Every week with my wrestle queers at Wednesday night fake fights. Shit's getting wild over there. Yeah, there's other things coming to that. That's fun. There is fun things coming to this show that we at this point. Wait, no. Yeah, we could talk about it because I I releasing it right now. We're gonna be doing like a real play wrestling superhero real play with Vivian Moria Valentine and a bunch of people for Wednesday night fake fights and it's gonna be sick. [00:56:03] Speaker A: I'm so excited. [00:56:04] Speaker B: All gas leak professional wrestling. That's right. Agp. [00:56:09] Speaker A: AGP wrestling, baby. [00:56:12] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. So you have that to look forward to. Socks. Socks is wonderful. Socks is going to be a future guest on this pod. So check out socks. Socks is the theme. The person who wrote the theme song for this theme show sex scene for everything is wrestling. And there that's all things I had to plug. I did it. Yeah. Yeah. Grappy Wednesday. Grappy Wednesday. [00:56:38] Speaker A: Grappy Wednesday. Grappy Wednesday. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Yeah.