Posting is Wrestling w/Miles Klee

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Lucky. [00:00:02] Speaker B: But yeah. Take a look in chat this bouncing baby boy [00:00:09] Speaker A: crime novelist. Oh, my God, a goblin bard. That's all. I think. Yeah. He does [00:00:17] Speaker B: some [00:00:18] Speaker A: stuff with [00:00:18] Speaker B: artifacts. I don't really care. I just. I love this card. When it was, like, previewed, I was like. And a little. It's a little guy who wants to write silly things. And I mean, this is. He writes about crime. He writes about murder. Was it a set about murder? [00:00:29] Speaker A: Of course. Naturally. Yeah. Angela Lansbury is magic. That's a different series we can get into. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Oh, that absolutely is. But yeah, I was just thinking, like, I love that he's a little guy with big ideas. A little guy who wants to share with the world. A little guy who can't shut the up. [00:00:47] Speaker A: We. We love a guy that yaps around here. We are, in fact, yappists. Yeah. [00:00:54] Speaker B: And if you'll take a look at his stat line, he's a 1 3, which means he has a huge ass. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Please explain that to. To explain that to the audience, not me. I totally get what you. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Okay. So in magic, the gathering creatures have a power and toughness. Power is how much damage they can do. He can do one damage, but he can take three hits, which colloquially means he has a huge ass. He has a huge [00:01:22] Speaker A: ass and great [00:01:23] Speaker B: opinions. [00:01:24] Speaker A: He has a huge ass and great opinions. Oh, my God. He's just like me. And all my favorite posters. Hit the button. Welcome back. Back to everything is wrestling your ears do not deceive you. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. It is I, Ella Taylor. What with the she and the her. Be gentle. It's an ongoing process. And with me, as always, is Bugs. Say hi, Bugs. [00:02:05] Speaker B: Hi, Bugs. [00:02:06] Speaker A: It's still wonderful every time. [00:02:08] Speaker B: It's still. It's. It's. [00:02:10] Speaker A: I'll [00:02:10] Speaker B: think I'm gonna. I'm gonna pull the rug out from on you at one point. I'm gonna just fit. Oh, I've got. I know how I'm gonna do it. [00:02:17] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. No file that way. I want to be. I want to be surprised and I want [00:02:21] Speaker B: to be [00:02:21] Speaker A: completely heartbroken. Yes. Shattered. But we do not want to shatter our guest because our guest is awesome. Our guest is lots of things. A journalist and writer and all around cool person. But, like, honestly, not to. Not to be that person we were talking about. Like, I just kind of knew. He is the poster before anything else. But, folks, we have Miles Klee. Miles. Hello. [00:02:51] Speaker C: Hi. I was actually told I would be shattered, so I'm. Now if that's not happening, [00:02:59] Speaker A: I was Promised a shattering. All right, we'll get there. That's [00:03:02] Speaker B: a different magic card. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Thank you so much for being here to yap at us about whatever we could come up with, which seems to be the concept of posting. But before we do that, for anyone who may not know, can you let them know who you are, where to find you, where to see your stuff, and we'll probably have you do it again at the end. [00:03:23] Speaker C: Yeah, of course. I'm Miles cle. I'm a senior culture writer at Wired magazine, so you can find my byline there. I used to write for Rolling Stones, so there's some old articles there if you want some deeper lore. And yeah, I've written a few books. The latest one I co wrote with my partner, Mads Gobo. It's a short story collection called Double Black diamond, and that's highly recommended. If you like freaky and speculative and gory and sexy types of stories. [00:03:55] Speaker B: I will be picking this up. Oh, my God. [00:03:58] Speaker A: That's all my. [00:04:00] Speaker C: Written by people who. Yeah, written by people who do each other in real life. So, [00:04:05] Speaker B: yeah, [00:04:07] Speaker C: it's as good as [00:04:07] Speaker A: it [00:04:07] Speaker C: gets. [00:04:08] Speaker A: You really. You can't get any better than that. Me, [00:04:12] Speaker B: that is prime, prime, prime literature. [00:04:17] Speaker C: Go check it out. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Fantastic. Awesome. Yay. I'm so happy we had you on. But, yeah, we generally tried to come up with, you know, a topic of. Of conversation and related to wrestling. Unfortunately, we. We kind of. We won. We. We won. We won that one. So I do have things I could do to relate posting to wrestling. But first, I think we should just talk about posting. Miles, what. What is posting to you? [00:04:50] Speaker C: Yeah, posting is sort of offloading the most psychically damaging, intrusive thoughts onto complete strangers so that they do the maximum total damage to society. [00:05:06] Speaker B: There's nothing quite like just flashbanging a small town's worth of people with, like, the most rancid. And it's just like, if I don't get one, God damn it bugs a week, I'm doing it wrong. [00:05:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. It's. It's like pulling something out of the fridge that's gone bad and telling someone to say, you know, smell this. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Check this out. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Personally, I really, I really do like when, like, the vibe I'm going for is the dog that brings you the toy that they buried four months ago for. For seasoning, you know, and it's like gone through a winter and they've pulled it back up and they're just so proud to show it to you again. I'm a reposter you know, for sure for that. But, you know, y' all miss one. Yeah. Y' all missed this one. I'm bringing it back. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, [00:05:56] Speaker A: yeah. Context. We [00:05:58] Speaker B: gotta run it back sometimes. [00:06:00] Speaker C: Well, for the same reason, I'm a big believer in threads that last, like, nine months. Like, you just keep updating them. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:06] Speaker C: And just keep pushing people back to the top of it over and over. That doesn't get old to me. [00:06:11] Speaker A: Oh, I was recently reminded of one of those that, like, basically was my greatest 72 hours on blue sky, which is the various Charlie Brown thread of all the things that you are Charlie Brown. And, like, just all the. Oh, my God, [00:06:28] Speaker B: you are homeless Charlie Brown. [00:06:30] Speaker A: You are. Yet you are whole Charlie Brown. Like. Like. Oh, God. Like, part of my brain. I'm pretty sure at one point I just started, like, doing lyrics to songs at Charlie Brown at some point in that just fugue state of that 42 hours of everyone just throwing what they had at the wall. And I think that is a great example of the kind of posting you're talking about, Miles. [00:07:01] Speaker B: Well, I think it's also important to post in a way that, like, facilitates audience participation. Even if they're just telling you this. Thugs. This is the most heinous thing ever. It's like. It's like a call and response. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Yes. Yes, absolutely. Oh, my God. So. Well, hey, there you go. First wrestling thing. Call, response. Call and response. Chance in wrestling. So, like, the posters posting back, you're. The crowd is your reply guy. Okay. Boom. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Oh, God. Crowds are reply guys. That's. Yeah, they are. [00:07:33] Speaker A: I hit our mandate. All right. There we go. I did at least one. Yeah. [00:07:38] Speaker C: I used to say a really good metric for a post is if most of the replies are just your name back at you. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, [00:07:49] Speaker C: they don't say anything from you. Just be like, miles with the period, you know, and there'd [00:07:53] Speaker B: be [00:07:54] Speaker C: like 15 of those. That's how, you know, you hit a nerve. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And then you gotta respond back your name with a smiley. Like, just their name. Smiley face. [00:08:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:03] Speaker A: No, my. Miles. I know that I have done that to you at least three times. It's like, just. Come on. Come the. [00:08:10] Speaker C: You don't follow me without doing it sometimes. [00:08:13] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. See, but that's like posting. You know, that's the thing is, like, posting could. To me, you say posting, but what you describe to me is almost. Well, it's not quite a shit post because, like, what is there? Just. I feel like there is a. I [00:08:27] Speaker B: think there's a difference between Posting and shit posting. I think shit posting is a little bit higher than art. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Or [00:08:32] Speaker A: lower or [00:08:33] Speaker B: lower [00:08:34] Speaker A: at the same time. Please expire and upon that, if you, if you will. But you're hitting on something for me. Yes. [00:08:43] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I think so. It's something about the medium specificity of. I'm talking specifically about the tweet here. There is nothing better than a character limit you have. Originally, it was much shorter. Now on Blue sky, we have 300 characters. That's way too many. I, I, I, I find myself, like, tripping over my own thoughts when it's like, no, you got to be quick. In, out. Yeah. You know, gremlins really are kind of like acdc if you think about it. That. That was a bad one. That was. [00:09:16] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. [00:09:18] Speaker C: Snow. Stand behind it. [00:09:20] Speaker B: No, [00:09:20] Speaker A: no, [00:09:21] Speaker B: because that's the other thing is you can't. You gotta stand behind it. Even when they're bad. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Yes. It's, it's, [00:09:27] Speaker C: it's more important when they're bad. [00:09:28] Speaker B: It is so important to post back. Do [00:09:30] Speaker C: not back. Double down every time. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Always double down. Do not commit. Do not give it. [00:09:36] Speaker A: Do not, never apologize for your art. Especially if that art is making people go bugs my. Yeah, [00:09:43] Speaker B: yeah, right, right. Well, I, I would just like to stand by one of my posts from recently that I, I think it bears saying Return of the Jedi rocks because it's the only movie where Max Rebo fears for his life. Show me a different movie [00:10:03] Speaker C: now. Wait, he's the little blue guy? [00:10:05] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a little blue. [00:10:06] Speaker A: Okay. I [00:10:08] Speaker C: just had to. You know what? I've been lost. I've been watching Andor, and it doesn't have any of the Muppets, which makes me mad. Like, there's no creatures. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Like, [00:10:16] Speaker A: Andor. Perfect [00:10:18] Speaker B: aside, [00:10:19] Speaker A: does anyone have a. There's [00:10:21] Speaker B: a little bit of. Once you like, the rebellion really starts forming. There's a couple club Shadows, but it's really human forward, which is the worst way for Star wars to be. [00:10:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it's my, it's really. My only complaint about the show is that, you know, you're doing a huge Prison Break episode. I'm like, well, I really would love to see like a. Gulp. Shito. Also breaking out of the prison. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Give me even, like a Jawa. Like, [00:10:45] Speaker C: give me, Give me [00:10:48] Speaker A: even [00:10:48] Speaker C: a Wookie something. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah, come on. [00:10:52] Speaker A: A Babu Frick. Babu Frick would have been super helpful. And he's done crimes canonically. He's underworld. You know what I mean? Like, come on. [00:11:00] Speaker B: So I don't know if they [00:11:01] Speaker C: just have segregationist prisons in the Empire or what's going on. But no, [00:11:06] Speaker B: because Han and Chewy met in prison. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:11:08] Speaker C: well, I, I thought that was like [00:11:10] Speaker B: Han broke to. That was Right, right. That was what radicalized Han. Sorry. [00:11:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't even recognize what was going on there. [00:11:19] Speaker A: The only thing I recognized about that movie is that they had Darth Maul and it come in at the end and. And that we never got more live action Darth Maul. And I'm very sad about that. [00:11:32] Speaker B: It was a big movie for the child in my heart because Quinlan Voss was in it and I thought he was cool. When I was 8, [00:11:42] Speaker A: Ron Howard definitely did things, I'll say that. But no, I, I agree. Like, like, posting is. Is. Is the higher or lower art form of posting. And like, but it. I'll go ahead. [00:12:00] Speaker B: I was gonna say, because I think with posting you can get too self important. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Yes, yes, exactly. Where ship hosting is really about the riff and about the playing in the space. And like, that to me is the most fun. Yeah, [00:12:14] Speaker C: yeah. For example, someone who is, quote, posting through it is not posting. [00:12:19] Speaker B: You. No, that you cannot double down on a post. You need to double down on posting, but you cannot double down on that post. [00:12:25] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you, Miles, for bringing that up because that was one thing I thought about when thinking about this topic of like the different kinds of posting. Because, yeah, there's posting, but then there's posting through it. And like. Like what? Like, [00:12:40] Speaker C: like a deadly serious. A deadly serious form of posting where you think you can sort of win. You're. Maybe you're being soft canceled or something. And. And you think you can just kind of like the only way out is through. You can get out on the other side. [00:12:56] Speaker B: And it's like you think the right thing. Yeah, no, you're just giving more like you're giving them ammo. Don't do it. Just log off, girl. Put your phone down. Go see a bird. [00:13:05] Speaker C: Like, I don't even want to mention by name any of the people who do this because they will find this podcast and then start posting about it. You know what I mean? [00:13:13] Speaker B: If they start posting through us, criticizing their posting through it. [00:13:16] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:13:19] Speaker B: like. And no one needs that. No one. [00:13:22] Speaker C: But we all know who they are. [00:13:25] Speaker A: I'm feeling chaos. Gremlini. And I'm just like, nah, it. Bring it on. No, no. Oh, attention's good. Attention it. There's dozens of us already. Pick out all of us. No, that's amazing. But no, no, don't Post through it. Like, Jesus Christ, I'll post through it. Posting through it is so bad. Some of my favorite things in wrestling is people posting through it, though. Like, they're in wrestling. Yeah, the concept. There's. The concept. There's a story arc that is like a trope that is gone back to. Is like when someone is going through it, the going through it. Maybe it's a losing streak. Maybe they lost to a specific nemesis of theirs and it's like, really, it has broken who they are as a person. And instead of going and reflecting, maybe healing up. Training. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Healing up leads to healing up. [00:14:30] Speaker A: Yes, posting through it does lead to healing. It leads to you being a heel. It really do. But no, like, instead they go through it and they show up every week and continue to try to get their revenge when they are clearly not ready and continue to get their ass beat to the point where it's just so fucking bad. One of my favorite going through it's in recent memory is Dalton Castle in Ring of Honor where like, he. He got up. Johnny TV got his number, and he's just. He's just. They. The interviewer keeps finding him and he's like in the back hiding in like a basket full of linen or whatever. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Little guy. [00:15:15] Speaker A: Dalton Castle is the littlest guy. Bugs. He's so good. And they, like, find him. Yeah, they find him in like the fucking linen closet. They're just talking to him about. He's just. I don't know. I just. I swear if I keep going, I could do it. I got this. And so it's [00:15:30] Speaker C: kind of like a small bean arc. [00:15:33] Speaker B: He's just a little cinnamon roll. [00:15:36] Speaker A: No, going through it is very much a small bean arc. You fucked up and you feel that you are righteous in your up and you just keep trying. And it's like, no, honey, just touch. But there's [00:15:48] Speaker B: also, like, birthday boying. [00:15:50] Speaker A: Oh, birthday boing is a whole different thing. That's a whole. Please explain birthday boing to the people Bugs, if you can. Well, [00:15:58] Speaker B: it's like, it's like, it's. Well, it's small bean, but, like, heal shit. But it's. It's [00:16:02] Speaker A: like, it's. [00:16:03] Speaker B: It's your villain arc. It's like, oh, no, I'm just a little guy knows, like, I'm correct. And you're like. And you're wrong. And it's my birthday. Stop being mean to me. And it's like, I would stop being mean to you if you stop birthday boying. [00:16:15] Speaker A: Absolutely. No, you are so correct. And that goes Back to one of our original yaps on the show about the types of heel. Because what you're describing is what MJF recently went through. Maxwell Jacob Freeman in aew, where he lost the title, and he was mad because of it, and he decided that he had been screwed when he wasn't. And, like, just continues to throw this pity party that no one liked. The fans didn't like it. No. All the reply guys are like, you're up. Yeah. Like, no one. And he just kept boasting through it and. And everyone's just like, nah, dude, you're. You're gone. Yeah, I'm just. You know, I'm not gonna block you, but I'm gonna mute you. Yeah, go make a movie. Yeah. And it. Yeah, it leads to heel. Shit. Whereas Dalton's was really just the little guy. It was not birthday boing. It's just, like, you felt bad for him the whole time. You know, he didn't necessarily heal it up. It was just like, oh, this poor little bastard. He's gonna get there. He's gonna come back. [00:17:24] Speaker B: So I am curious for both of you, what got you into posting? [00:17:29] Speaker A: Miles, please, if you have an answer. [00:17:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I was really bored at the first job I ever had out of college, and that springboarded me into being uncomfortably. An uncomfortably big account on Tumblr. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah, [00:17:51] Speaker C: yeah, that'll. That'll. That'll. Yeah, Tumblr in the, let's see, like, 2008-2012 era. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Oh, so that's the best time to be on Tumblr. [00:18:03] Speaker C: Yeah, sort of. Turbocharged brain worms. Yeah, I guess I was. I mean, I guess for when I was a teenager, I was like, just. It was just a diary. Like, I was. I had, like, a Zanga blog spot, whatever. But then that turned into, like, oh, I'm gonna be doing bits and stuff and. Yeah. And then. Well, I didn't get on Twitter until 2012, and that was when my. My publisher at the time was like, you know, you really have to publicize the book, so you. Therefore, you have to get on Twitter. Yeah. So I remember. I just got on. I didn't really want to use it, so I just got on there and I just posted a link to the book. And I remember Max Reed replying immediately. He was like, good first post, Miles. Like, it's just a link. No contact. It was very passive aggressive at first, but then I. Of course, I got horribly addicted. [00:18:55] Speaker A: Now you're a posters poster, Miles. What the hell? [00:18:58] Speaker B: It's fun to just post a Random link. Sometimes. [00:19:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Take a look, y'. All. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Hey. [00:19:04] Speaker A: What? Hey, check this out. Yeah, with [00:19:08] Speaker B: mom, no hands. [00:19:09] Speaker C: That's how it used to be. I mean, I mean, I, you know, in college we were. You gather around the computer, just show someone a YouTube link or whatever. So I, I, I, I get [00:19:18] Speaker A: that [00:19:19] Speaker C: instinct. [00:19:20] Speaker A: No, that absolutely, like, I remember that was. We used to finish band practice and then head up to my room and, like, watch YouTube videos. [00:19:29] Speaker C: Yep. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Right. No, because, like, you used to have to sit down somewhere distinct to post. [00:19:35] Speaker C: The computer used to be a place. [00:19:37] Speaker B: The computer used to be a place. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Yes. And now I can post from everywhere, and that's not good for anyone. Like, really. [00:19:46] Speaker B: It's really not. I should not be able to post from bed. [00:19:53] Speaker A: I should. I've never posted from the shower, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't be. Wait, [00:19:58] Speaker C: Tonight's the night. [00:19:59] Speaker B: I have gotten out of the shower to post. I have been mid. Shower. Gotten out of the shower because I had a lot. I'm like, [00:20:07] Speaker C: just going to lose the thought. [00:20:10] Speaker A: I take that. I have absolutely posted from the shower. [00:20:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like. No, hold on, hold on. The people need to know. [00:20:20] Speaker C: I think [00:20:20] Speaker A: true posters [00:20:21] Speaker C: take baths for this reason. [00:20:24] Speaker A: Oh, [00:20:25] Speaker B: I should get into baths. That's, that's my next. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Bugs bath era bug. It's funny soup. There you go. As far as [00:20:37] Speaker B: in there. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Get your aromatics. Yeah. Come on. As far as your question, though, I, I was super late to that. I didn't. I've been late to all social media. I was just. I, it, I don't know. I just, it didn't. I was like. I think now looking back at it, I'm like, I have enough time with, like, being social and social cues in person. You want me to learn how to do this online? You know what I mean? And, but then I went and did it and I was like, oh, this is easier because I can be like me. Okay? And like, not have preconceived notion because there's no anything there, which again, is dangerous in its own way. But I didn't like, I didn't like, post, post. I was. Well, like, I was certainly not a poster. I was a poster and I was a poster. It's [00:21:32] Speaker B: serious business [00:21:33] Speaker A: on Facebook. And yeah, not, not good. Shit. My first introduction to the. The art form of what posting truly could be was a Facebook group. And it was called this is a weird hill to die at, but at least you're dead [00:21:55] Speaker B: Facebook groups. [00:21:57] Speaker A: And what, What I, looking back now realized is that. That place was a training ground for Twitter. And I. Because the whole. The whole concept is like, someone would find a take. You know what I mean? Or someone would have a take and post it on purpose for us to destroy them for it. You. Like, that was something [00:22:23] Speaker B: so, like, sadomasochistic about posting. [00:22:27] Speaker A: Oh, my God. This was. No, this was a Facebook group full of people with humiliation kicks just getting the off on each other bugs. Absolutely. And it went. But it was also. It trained me for PvP. You know what I mean? Like. Like, because that's another type of posting that I think is the. Oh, yeah, that type of posting. [00:22:50] Speaker B: That's the quote post. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yes, yes, the quote tweet. The. The. Yeah, the quote tweet. And. And just player, which I know that I'm incredibly [00:23:01] Speaker B: guilty of. So, like, [00:23:04] Speaker A: I've been guilty of in the past. I've tried to get way better about it, but like, player versus player posting is like posting at its most dangerous, I think. And that is technically where I cut my teeth. But I didn't play the game that way. I was trying to be absurdist about it, which a lot of us were. And like, that was like kind of the first thing I noticed that I finally got on Twitter because of all the uprising here. And it was more about doing, like. It was more about letting a bunch of people in. In the local area know over Twitter where the cops were. Because we're listening to them. Yeah, that's why I was on Twitter. So, like, the. The following I had on Twitter was local people and a bunch of people watching me for riot porn. And. And like, so I didn't really post post. You like, I. I kind of got around to it eventually, but it wasn't really my bag. It wasn't until Blue sky, where I was like, you know what? [00:24:04] Speaker B: We're doing it [00:24:05] Speaker A: well. But it was a thing where I would. I. It was the first place I've ever been me and just me. Like, as far as the trans. Oh, [00:24:16] Speaker B: yeah. [00:24:16] Speaker A: You know what I mean? That. The [00:24:18] Speaker B: clean slate is huge. Yeah, [00:24:20] Speaker A: the clean slate was huge. And it was just like, I don't have all these followers who are like, if I try to start, like, posting posting or like even just shit posting, they could be like, well, this is no good for the movement. Yeah. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Yeah. It is actually like laugh. [00:24:37] Speaker A: It is. Yeah. Laugh for the love of laugh. It is like, the shit I'm doing for the movement isn't on here. I'm on here to get goof. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:46] Speaker A: If you're posting about what you're doing for [00:24:47] Speaker B: the movement, that's. Oh, Jesus. You're doing. I. [00:24:53] Speaker A: I feel I'm gonna just [00:24:54] Speaker B: bite my tongue. [00:24:57] Speaker A: That might be a different episode. Bugs. Yeah. I got to, like, shed all of the people who were following me for that and just be like, look, I'm just this chick on the Internet, you know, I'm just trying to figure out what that means. Like, I was socially transitioning at that point, but I hadn't started. Like, I'm a week away from my year HRT anniversary. Oh, [00:25:22] Speaker B: hell yeah. [00:25:23] Speaker A: Holy. When this comes out, it's going to be like, like, around. That's why. Congrats. [00:25:29] Speaker B: Wait, that's the. [00:25:30] Speaker C: Congratulations [00:25:31] Speaker B: we got there. [00:25:32] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah. Hey, it'll be like, a little bit after this comes out. Like. Well, a little bit before this comes out. It'd be like, literally. Oh, my God. It's going to be literally yesterday. Yesterday was my. All right. Holy. I looked at the calendar. So, like. Yeah. And it was the first place where I was just me and I didn't have to go through the. The bullshit of, like, you knew that guy. Now I'm this chick, you know? Yeah. I didn't have to go through that. You know, I'm dealing with that now, with trying to voice train on the various shows. Like. And, like, I've joked about it. It's going to fluctuate. It's what I'm doing. I like doing it. It's for me. You. [00:26:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:26:11] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:26:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:13] Speaker A: But, like, it was doing that through posting. I was like, I'm posting. Like, me and y' all are like, what happened? That's weird. And being accused of faking and. But, like, Blue sky was like, no. You just get this blank slate, and I'm just here being me and. And doing the things I think is funny. And it's funny, Miles, because, like, yeah, like, I joked about at the start of the show, like, I met you as the poster. Like, you were just one of. You were just one of us amongst us posting. You know what I mean? And what I loved about Blue sky, too, was that that equaling of people where, like, he got rid of. Like, no one knew who anyone was, I feel like, anymore. I had no idea who anyone was on Blue sky. And. And it was great because there's this bunch of people hanging out yapping and, like, that's my favorite kind of posting. I think everyone is at their best when they kind of, like, [00:27:07] Speaker B: we're all like, an even playing field. [00:27:09] Speaker A: You do a little Ego death. And you just shoot the. You know what I mean? And it leads to the most up gas leak thoughts. And that's the best posting. So like, you know, it wasn't until later, like, there's so many people that like popped up where they got like blue check marks on. Why didn't you tell me you were like somebody. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Oh, this one does stuff. [00:27:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I like that too. Because then we got that. I don't know, it felt like a six month period where you're discovering like, who. Who you were going to drive off the platform because they were a piece of shit. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:45] Speaker C: And they were just. Yeah. Then that first six months you were like, well, I don't. You know, there's so much noise on here. I don't have the wherewithal to figure out what your deal is. So I'll just tolerate you for now until you're out at a. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Oh my God. Okay. The number of sex that came out of the first like, [00:28:03] Speaker A: oh, that was [00:28:05] Speaker B: crazy. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. I mean, the reason y' [00:28:09] Speaker B: all [00:28:09] Speaker A: remember the hell. Fortunate, Fortunate Son starts playing. Yes, I remember hell. I was just about to bring up hell thread. [00:28:22] Speaker B: There was a certain like, type of poster's madness that occurred. Right. Because it was like people who had never had a platform suddenly think that a thousand followers is like important. [00:28:33] Speaker C: 8 likes is viral. Yeah. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Here's how to get 12 likes. Here's how to get 12. [00:28:40] Speaker A: Say that out loud and like, think about it. But no, thank you. I'm so happy that we, we witness baby as we head into like, are heading into like the third act here of this podcast, the madness [00:28:55] Speaker B: posters. Madness. [00:28:57] Speaker A: There's a downside to posting kids that, you know, it sounds like all fun and games and shitposts and Miles Klee is there. But, but, but things when posting goes bad and like, exactly. Bugs. It's like all of us dealt with the fact that like what it's like to have a thousand people know who you are the. For the first time. And I think that part of the reason that I never got fully got by the madness. Knock on wood. First of all, I'm still, you know, a lobby. That term. I want, I love, I love giving the woman I'm I'm dating for having more followers than me being like, look, I'm the low. You're. You're in a [00:29:45] Speaker C: follower. You're in a follower gap relationship. [00:29:47] Speaker A: I'm in a problematic follower gap relationship currently. And I'm the lobby and it's amazing. It's the [00:29:54] Speaker B: way to do it. Honestly, [00:29:55] Speaker A: Truly. I [00:29:56] Speaker B: hate that. I hate that I'm the hyvee. [00:30:01] Speaker A: I'm sorry for you, bugs. Yeah, [00:30:05] Speaker B: well, because I accidentally got known on Twitter because I posted a fit one time and then I fell asleep with 100 followers and woke up to 400 followers, and I'm like, oh, no. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Oh, no. And then it just keeps going. [00:30:18] Speaker B: And then. And then two months later, I had 5,000 followers, and it just kind of kept growing at that rate for a while. [00:30:26] Speaker A: And. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Yeah, don't. Don't post, kids. Don't post. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Don't post. Post. Just [00:30:32] Speaker C: to be known. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, to post. Just be known. It's mortifying to be known. [00:30:37] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Supposed is to be known. But, yeah, no, that brings me back to my thought on. On the inoculation of madness. In previous lives, we were talking about this a little bit off mic. I was a musician and, like, played out, and, like, I was never huge, but, like, we were big for our area. Yeah. Like, being a big fish in a small pond leads to the madness. And, like, it [00:31:00] Speaker B: leads to the madness. Unless you're really intentional about it. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Yes. And, like, I. Ho, ho, ho. When we're done here, I'm gonna send you a link to my old band that I was telling you about. And, like, the lead singer got the madness. So, like, [00:31:15] Speaker B: that's. [00:31:16] Speaker A: That's what I feel like [00:31:18] Speaker B: posters madness. I feel like Axl Rose got posters madness. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Axl Rose got posters madness. Yes. We keep threatening the people with Rose's grabs. [00:31:28] Speaker B: Yeah. No, Axel. Axl Rose is like a blue MAGA guy now. It's crazy. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? Yeah, [00:31:35] Speaker B: he's a blue. No [00:31:36] Speaker C: matter threads. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Oh, [00:31:38] Speaker A: God. [00:31:38] Speaker B: He's absolutely on thread. He's [00:31:40] Speaker C: probably on threads. I said, [00:31:42] Speaker A: oh, my God. No, he's. [00:31:44] Speaker C: Yeah, you're right. He's. He's totally, like, blue and on guy. [00:31:47] Speaker B: It's crazy. [00:31:48] Speaker A: It's so funny. [00:31:51] Speaker C: He probably thinks the, like, Pennsylvania assassination attempt was staged. [00:31:55] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I [00:31:57] Speaker A: want. I want to [00:31:58] Speaker B: know his thoughts about the Charlie Kirk shooting. So bad. [00:32:02] Speaker A: All right. To be fair, though, I gotta say, because this is ostensibly a wrestling podcast for a lot of us professional wrestling fans. We weren't convinced right away for several reasons. All right? And, like, I want to lay this out. I do not believe it was a hoax, but if you're a professional wrestling fan and Donald Trump gets a boo boo, and then when they release the. When they release the. The, like, press release about. They say he. He went to a local medical facility. I threw my arms up and I was like, he. Bladed. It's a work. I seen this. He did vintage. He's doing vintage tricks. And like, I know what's going on here. And like, you know, again, the dangers of posting. I. I did not. I sat. I thought, [00:33:01] Speaker B: oh, oh. Knowing when not to post is perhaps [00:33:04] Speaker A: when. Knowing when it's about the posts. You don't play [00:33:09] Speaker B: really is jazz. No, like, [00:33:11] Speaker A: truly is. [00:33:17] Speaker C: And then there are things you can't resist pointing out. I mean, the. There's that. That photo of, you know, Trump and, you know, the McMahons and somebody else, and somebody points out that it's like Steve Austin has hit the stone cold stunner on everyone in this picture, including the president. [00:33:33] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:33:34] Speaker C: You just can't keep those thoughts to yourself. That's not. [00:33:38] Speaker B: No, those. Those are outside thoughts. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Oh. And like this. This is an outside thought. The President of the United States is so shit at taking a stunner. I take a better stunner than the President of the United States. I have. I just love that he keeps posting [00:33:52] Speaker B: about being bisexual. Like, he just cannot stop talking about men's asses. I cannot stop thinking about this. Like, I love that he's having his bi curious arc at 80 years old. But also, you're a fascist that has ruined the world. So, like, [00:34:06] Speaker A: yeah, like, girl, [00:34:08] Speaker B: like, he would have been such a good drag queen. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah. But, yeah, [00:34:12] Speaker C: I think he's. I think. Yeah, I think he's channeling Roy Cohn. [00:34:15] Speaker B: Oh, he. Oh, [00:34:17] Speaker A: wait, that's [00:34:17] Speaker B: it. That's absolutely it. [00:34:19] Speaker C: Coming back through. [00:34:20] Speaker A: Oh, [00:34:20] Speaker B: my God. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's like [00:34:22] Speaker B: how Snoke was Palpatine. The whole. Somehow Roy Cohen returned. [00:34:27] Speaker A: Somehow Roy cone has returned. He's channeling Roy cone through some sort of dark magic ritual. That's a different podcast, folks. Watch. That's [00:34:37] Speaker B: why his hand is weird. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. No, because he touched the ether and. Yeah, you can't do that. Oh, no. We're figuring out so much, folks. This is amazing. [00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah. This is posting now. This is pod racing. [00:34:55] Speaker A: Now. This script dune. This is posting script [00:34:58] Speaker B: scribd in. [00:34:59] Speaker A: I learned scribdune. I finally learned Scribdune. All right, so here. Let's go into the shitpost full shit post portion. We'll do a. Here's the shit post. It's a pod with. Welcome back, folks, to Everything is Wrestling, where we are going to describe how bitty Blaze is grabs. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Oh, bitty Blazes. Graphs, video glazes, insanely. Graphs, [00:35:29] Speaker A: bugs. Go. Yeah, [00:35:32] Speaker B: explain. Miles, are you aware how deeply grass Bitty Blazes? [00:35:36] Speaker C: Not at all, [00:35:37] Speaker B: Ella. Go for [00:35:37] Speaker A: it. Oh, my God. Okay, so Bitty Blaze is literally grabs. So I still don't know what a Biddy Blaze is. I only I'm. I'm the Internet's worst tran. [00:35:47] Speaker B: Okay, so I'll explain Bitty Blaze and you explain why he's graph. So he is. I meant to look this up on Wookiepedia. I cannot remember the name of his species, but he's a little alien man from a Star wars pod racing game and went micro viral because he has a very funny, annoying voice. And he speaks Huddies, which is a fantastic con line where words just sound kind of close, like to what they are in other languages. It's such a shitpost. It's so deeply George Lucas. It's where we get jizz. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Yes. Literally. God damn it. [00:36:21] Speaker B: But so he says there's a little video went very viral where he goes, biggie Blaze. Grim Dune. Which means Biggie Blaze. That's my name. Write it down. And he's just this little annoying guy and he's perfect. He's everyone's husband. But Ella, you know something about Bitty Blaze's voice actor. [00:36:43] Speaker A: So people started posting about this Bitty Blaze fella and I was like, I saw the thing and I was like, okay, yeah, this is cool, whatever. And then I was like, this is great voice actor. And because I. I'm. I'm friends with voice actors, I love voice acting. Is like, huge thing for. For me. I'm not going to cry talking about the recent sad news that we got about that. We'll talk about that. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Yep, that's. [00:37:08] Speaker A: Yeah, okay. I just made myself sad mid pod. But I look, I was like, okay, who is the voice actor here? Imagine my surprise when the spectacular Mr. Charles Crowley, a wrestler. An English professional wrestler. So I have to run to buzz and go, Bitty plays his grats, Biddy plays his grand. [00:37:30] Speaker B: And then. Oh, my God. And he's having the time of his life in this role. It's. [00:37:35] Speaker A: Oh, he's killing it. And I've seen now he's on cameo and doing cameos because a thing about professional wrestlers, it's. It's the most influencer ass job. Like, you have to like any income that you're getting really is something that you have made happen for yourself. So, like, all the wrestlers are on cameo because everyone wants a cameo from their favorite wrestler. Bitty Blaze is on cameo. Of course. Many place and people are starting to put together. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And [00:38:07] Speaker A: Bitty Blaze is On cameo. Because he's a wrestler and all wrestlers are on cameo. [00:38:11] Speaker B: There's this video where he's wishing these lesbians a happy wedding and it's like the man speaks hoodies. And I think that's genuinely perfect. [00:38:22] Speaker A: It's so good. And of course, a professional wrestler is going to be the one that speaks Huddies. That. That's. [00:38:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:38:29] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:38:29] Speaker B: I'd be shocked if there were a few that didn't like a few others. [00:38:34] Speaker A: All right, well, thank you everyone for coming to our show. That was Everything Is Wrestling presents Bitty Blaze's Graps. We've done it. It's officially in the books. Now back to our regular scheduled posting podcast. But as. As we head into the the latter part of our hour here, I'm trying to think of other things about posting their grabs. And I do want to share one that I thought of because it's like the most obvious example. Anyone who knows me knows I love Orange Cassidy is a professional wrestler. Miles Klee, are you at all familiar with Orange Cassidy? [00:39:13] Speaker C: No, but I love the name. It sounds like an ice cream flavor. [00:39:16] Speaker B: It does, doesn't it? I was just thinking, I'd like to drink one of those. [00:39:19] Speaker A: Miles, you're gonna love this. So [00:39:22] Speaker B: he [00:39:23] Speaker A: is literally a post in the sense that this man who has been wrestling for a long time now, he used to be a luchador under a red ant gimmick, and he was the leader of an ant hill in Shikara. [00:39:40] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, he was the fire ant. This man knows his character work. Okay, folks. So he decided one day he's like, you know who I love and who should be a wrestler? Paul Rudd in. In Wet Hot American Summer. What if Paul Rudd in Wet Hot American Summer was a wrestler? [00:40:02] Speaker C: That's such a powerful idea. [00:40:04] Speaker B: So good. [00:40:05] Speaker A: He did it. He's one of my favorite living creations. He. He exists. His name is Freshly Squeezed Orange Cassidy. Everything he does is with minimum effort. When he does a hot. He doesn't do a thumbs up. He does the midway every. He doesn't fist bump kids in the audience. When he goes by, there'll be like a six year old. A whole lot. The little limp. Little limp bump. Like everything is done. They call him the king of sloth style. Everything is done at minimum effort. He is. What if a post was a wrestler and he's [00:40:42] Speaker B: perfect for it. [00:40:42] Speaker A: He's perfect. He's perfect. He's beloved. It's everything that I've. It's commitment to the bit scale that has never been seen before. I think in wrestling, he is, he is beloved for it. He is going on seven years in this one company as this character, having not really changed the bit like most people last seven years. If it [00:41:04] Speaker C: ain't broke. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Yeah, if it ain't broke. Just keep squeezing. [00:41:09] Speaker A: It's so good. Like, you know, when people get him on the ground, they go to the top rope and they're getting ready to jump on me, just slowly starts rolling away. And the best. And, and he's forcing you to play in the space and, and that's like shitposting. It's like, just play. Yeah, come play with me. It's even. Come hang [00:41:33] Speaker B: out. I want to play wrestling. [00:41:35] Speaker A: I want to play wrestling. I'll play wrestling with me. And like, it's even. It's even. The character limits. His big thing is when people, like, power up. Like Hulk Hogan's big thing was he like, hulked up. And, you know, you'd start hitting him. He'd be like, no, brother. N word and cocaine. And he'd get himself up. And instead what OC does is he puts his hands up and everyone goes, oh. And he shoves him in his pockets. But then Miles, he proceeds to, to wrestle the next minute with his hands in his pockets and make his opponent look like an absolute fool as he's kicking their ass with his hands in his pockets. [00:42:15] Speaker B: I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna post a picture of this in the. [00:42:19] Speaker A: Yes. So, like, no, if you, I highly recommend looking up any Orange Cassidy match, there's a one in particular that I can send you which is one of my favorite OC matches. It's one of my favorite wrestling matches ever. It's, it's him versus this other guy in a comedy wrestling promotion. And, and yeah, see? Oh, oh, okay. Rest in peace, Ben. That. Oh, [00:42:46] Speaker B: Jesus Christ. I am so sorry. Yeah. Okay, [00:42:51] Speaker A: Bugs. So for folks at home, Bugs picked a picture of OC Doing his kicks where he's like, the minimum effort kicks. The person receiving them is his greatest nemesis in the company. And Satterley Pack, who just died last month of asthma attack after a pay per view. So that's sad. But yes, these two, no, thank you for. This is a good way to, to, to go off of this, to finish up this subject, actually, Bugs, because, like, these two are why. What we're looking at in this picture is why I got back into wrestling in a lot of ways. And at least for. Aw, it's, it's Yosemite. You on the right, you have Yosemite Sam and On the left you have Bugs Bunny. And those two put on like a. A three, four month program over the course of many matches of just playing that shit out. And it's some of the greatest thing that's ever happened on television because you have this guy who's an absolute killer, the bastard puck. Like he, he's just a killer and he's having to deal with this guy who refuses to take him seriously, you know, and. And that the storytelling that came out of their matches and. And only can happen because Ben, who's playing this bastard character is in real life just the sweetest, most wonderful creative improv. Kind of like, like just, you know, like that's wrestling is that everyone is playing in the space. Wrestling is literally shit posting. It's just a bunch of people playing in the space. But yeah, so actually, no, thank you, Bugs, for making me a little sad there for a second because that's a great. And the look on the. The ref, Bryce Remberg, look on his face in this photo [00:44:43] Speaker B: when we post. When we post this. We should post this photo. Like, [00:44:46] Speaker A: well, no, that's a good thing. This is the first of these we have recorded since he passed. So actually that kind of makes sense. It wasn't even last month. Jesus. It was like. [00:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it was [00:44:58] Speaker A: very. It was very recently. God. Yeah, I think Andy Williams also passed though. That was. That's who was last month. It's been a rough time for wrestling fans. A lot of the good ones are dying. The bad ones never died. The good ones die, which is unfortunate. I. Yeah. So like, fantastic. Because like, no, everything about. Everything about this picture is perfect because like, it encapsulates everything I love about. It's like play in the space. That's [00:45:25] Speaker B: just playing the [00:45:25] Speaker A: space. Play with me. Just play with me. You know, compost with me. And you can still post about like serious fun things. You just have fun with it. Like, case of point. One of my favorite posts I made recently was because I'm reading a lot of Grant Morrison lately again, watch this space. Someone mentioned someone made a shit post here, let me find it. Because it's. It really was kind of a perfect example of all of this. Of like, oh, no, I just had it. Where'd it go? Of like, what [00:46:01] Speaker B: Posted in the show notes. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll post in the show notes. But it. Basically it was someone going off about like the. Them making like militant puppy girls here. They're. They're genetically engineering puppy girls to be perfect war machines. You probably think that's hot. Shaking my head. What a fantastic post. Amy. Amyuncut BScott Social. He's amazing. [00:46:23] Speaker B: She's so funny. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Amy's a poster and I coy with like yeah, we three by Grant Morrison made me a militant puppy girl, which is kind of true. And like if like again, that's a post but also hopefully gets people to go read We3 by Grant Morrison, which is a fantastic short story that will rip your heart out and make you hate the government. So, you know, yay. Posting Fantastic. I don't know. I feel really good about about re apps on posting bugs. How do you feel about our apps? I'm posting. [00:46:59] Speaker B: I feel. I feel pretty good. I feel pretty good. Miles, how do you feel about our. Yes, I'm posting. [00:47:03] Speaker C: Agnostic. [00:47:05] Speaker A: Best we could hope for. Yay. Thank you so much for joining us for this ridiculous, some might say ship hosting into a microphone. Thank you, Miles. Once again we'll give you the opportunity, let people know who you are, where to find you, all those wonderful things you write, so many great things. They should go read them. [00:47:25] Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you for having me. And yeah, just find me on blue sky. Just milescleague easyguy Social and yeah, hell thread forever. I guess [00:47:37] Speaker B: Health Red forever. [00:47:39] Speaker A: It ain't me. Oh, Jesus Christ. Grab God. And you can find bugs on all the places where bugs is bugs. [00:47:47] Speaker B: Yeah, you can find bugs under a rock. [00:47:49] Speaker A: You can find wherever you find [00:47:50] Speaker B: your finest bugs, [00:47:52] Speaker A: wherever you find your finest bugs and or rocks. And you can find me on blue sky and only blue sky because it's my safe space. You. I won't post where you tell me if I post at all. But no, at garrick taylor.com I'm Beast Guy. You can listen to me talk about other things. Mostly wrestling, actual wrestling. Like actually talking about real wrestling at Wednesday night Fake fights Dynamite Recap podcast. We recently got a email soliciting us for money informing us that when you search on Spotify for AEW Dynamite Recap, you're number seven, right? Hell yeah. All of us went huh? And then proceed to not think about it again because that was funny. So yeah, if you want to check out the number 7 dynamite recap podcast where for some reasons we have a Cryptid corner. I yeah it again, it's supposed to be about wrestling. It's about a lot of check that out. Wherever pods are potting lots of of other stuff in the works that I can't talk about yet. But watch this space and Grappy wrestling, I think. Grappy [00:49:16] Speaker B: Wednesday. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Grappy Wednesday. God damn it. I keep doing it. Happy Wrestling is the other show. Grappy Wednesday.